Madness

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:10:27 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

They only say that all their
contributions are made at corporate levels and that those contributions must
meet corporate giving guidelines -- which the Vets only meet if they fall
under the terms of "education, arts or family violence prevention." I will
bet darned few Veterans' organizations meet those guidelines, but that
plenty of homosexual groups claim to meet them.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how easy

http://target.com/common/page.jhtml?...et_vet_support
It only takes 4 or 5 clicks on their homepage.

#m
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http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990509

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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| On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:29:37 -0800 "C J Campbell"
wrote:
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|
| "R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
| |
| | So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
| | be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| | people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
| | a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
| | $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at
AMT if
| | you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.
| |
| |
|
|
| I'll try to respond to this but you didn't offer up much in the way of a
| counterpoint.
|
| Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far
less
|
| What part is fantasy to you?
|
| Define a Bush supporter? Is that one who votes for him or who donates
lots
| of money to his campaign? If you're a Bush voter you're getting the
shaft.
|
|
| than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up
with
| this idiotic theory.
|
| You're awfully quick to throw insults, must have touched a nerve.

Well, since you are the one saying that everyone who supports Bush is either
fantastically wealthy or a dupe, maybe you should look at the insulting tone
of your own posts.

|
| The vast majority of Bush supporters (the ones donating to his campaign)
| are making $500,000/year (dispensible income not disposable as the rich
| pay very little taxes) and if you're making under $500,000/yr you're very
| likely paying the way for those Bush donors.

You still have not offered one shred of evidence in support of this
statement.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
|
| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT
if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.
|
|

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less
than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up
with
this idiotic theory.

Look at Clinton/Gore supporters for the most wealthy.


Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on
tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all
your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Must be!

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...70645& itm=20

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jeb at
wrote on 1/10/04 10:35 AM:


So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield Recorder
reports.

Well, I think it's a safe bet that I'd be picketing that store about 5
minutes after the cops visited. And if I thought I could get away with it,
I'd beat the **** out of that snoopy clerk. I hate people like that.


As a former cop- and admittedly proud American, I'd like to put this into a
slightly different perspective.

Obviously this Staples incident is distressing IF it really happened-- I
haven't found the supporting docs yet. Assuming the story has veracity,
then what the Hell is wrong with the cops!? It understandable that the
store management and the clerk who likely have little or no training in
security, could consider such an innocuous request as some kind of security
threat. But I ask again. WHAT ABOUT THE COPS!!?

Surely this "security violation" had to go through some sort of chain of
command at the police department before an individual officer was sent to
these folks home. What was THEIR thought process, if any? I find far more
fault with the police in this matter than the Staples store. (Remember
please- NOT a cop hater speaking here.)

Additionally, going to the store to picket or "... beat the **** out of that
snoopy clerk" seems like a ridiculous response. Possibly, a letter of
concern to Staples corporate office, and maybe a similar letter to the
editor of the local newspaper might be more effective. If we are to protect
GA (and all of our other liberties), we must be vigilant but reasonable in
our responses to these incursions away from sanity. Otherwise, we'll never
be able to get enough mainstream support to realize the balance we need
between security and freedom.

Unbridled passion, while useful in certain circumstances g often adds more
heat than light.

I feel better. How about you?

VideoGuy

"Video Guy" gkasten at brick dot net wrote in message
...
If we are to protect
GA (and all of our other liberties), we must be vigilant but reasonable in
our responses to these incursions away from sanity. Otherwise, we'll
never
be able to get enough mainstream support to realize the balance we need
between security and freedom.

OOPS!

That should be "EXcursions away from sanity". Sometimes my brain thinks one
thing, but my fingers type another.

VideoGuy

"Video Guy" gkasten at brick dot net wrote in message
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|
| As a former cop- and admittedly proud American, I'd like to put this into
a
| slightly different perspective.
|
| Obviously this Staples incident is distressing IF it really happened-- I
| haven't found the supporting docs yet.

http://www.recorder.com/Headlines/tuesday_basic.htm

At least the "Greenfield Recorder" really did print a story like that. The
story by Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas left out some things and
sensationalized it a bit, but the general facts appear to be the same. The
story was also picked up by "The Register" and several other papers around
the country. Orlowski's version appears to be the version that is most
widely reproduced.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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|
|
| Jeb wrote:
|
| A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
| flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at 8:30
| pm on a rainy night.
|
| I would be marching that trooper into my house with his hands on his head
at the
| end of a 12 gauge shotgun, calling the police, and having him charged with
trespass.
|

That might be fun, except that the trooper might be inclined to defend
himself.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

However, I do think it is worthwhile paying attention to incidents like
this. First of all, we do not want through our silence to allow others to
believe that this is acceptable or normal behavior. America may be basically
self correcting, but it will not be self correcting if we just stand by and
let things like this happen. Ridicule, scorn, protest, or whatever other
activities that you can do to register that this incident is wrong, we don't
want any more incidents like this, and that we don't want to go any further
down this road are entirely appropriate.

That's the key. To say nothing helps perpetuate this kind of
irresponsible hysteria. I, for one, don't particularly care to live
in some sort of Stalinist-like society where panicky idiots are
encouraged to inform on their neighbors and customers. If someone
can't walk into a store and inquire about purchasing one of the best
selling pieces of entertainment software in history without having the
cops show up at the door, then something is seriously amiss.

I read a few stories about this over the weekend and was even more
dismayed that the Staples spokesperson supported this action in the
name of "safety". Cooincidentally, I was planning on going to Staples
on Sunday to pick up about $600 worth of office equipment and
furniture. I fired off an email to the VP of Public Relations
telling him what I thought of their practice and then cancelled my
order and bought from their competitor. It won't make any difference
in their bottom line, but perhaps it might make coporate think twice
about their "security" policies.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Video Guy" gkasten at brick dot net wrote in message ...

Obviously this Staples incident is distressing IF it really happened-- I
haven't found the supporting docs yet. Assuming the story has veracity,
then what the Hell is wrong with the cops!? It understandable that the
store management and the clerk who likely have little or no training in
security, could consider such an innocuous request as some kind of security
threat. But I ask again. WHAT ABOUT THE COPS!!?

Surely this "security violation" had to go through some sort of chain of
command at the police department before an individual officer was sent to
these folks home. What was THEIR thought process, if any? I find far more
fault with the police in this matter than the Staples store. (Remember
please- NOT a cop hater speaking here.)

Unfortunately, I think that you'll find that the cops these days are
caught up in a "cover your ass" mentality when it comes to terrorist
related calls. You can bet that even the most ridiculous calls will
be investigated. Some of my cop acquaintences could tell you some
pretty silly tales about what they have to investigate these days.

For example, if my neighbor is building a homebuilt in his garage, I
can have the cops there within a few hours to check him out. Sadly,
this is not the America of a few years ago. We are a jittery,
frightened society now, and the terrorists are sitting in their caves
laughing their asses off.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
"Video Guy" gkasten at brick dot net wrote in message
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.. We are a jittery,
frightened society now, and the terrorists are sitting in their caves
laughing their asses off.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

John,

I will retain the optimism that as a country, we will be able to overcome
this unfortunate global loss of common sense and return to a more realistic
understanding about what are the actual possiblities of any ONE of us being
involved in a terrorist attack. This is not to say we shouldn't be
vigilant, but we need to be at least as reasonable as we are vigilant.

You are probably correct in you assessment of the terrorists glee. Just
wish we knew WHICH cave that was!

VideoGuy