Downloading flying music?

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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[...] The case was won by the defendants, the decision also
stated that a private party can tape and keep for his own personal use
stuff grabbed off the air.

If there was an actual court case in which that conclusion was reached,
you
should have no trouble providing a specific citation, should you?

Pete, this was national news back in the eighties! Where were you, man?
The attention give to it was of the same magnitude as the RIAA nonsense
today!

Newps could probably give you a cite if he took enough time . . . Aww hell,
let me take a look for you . . . . google, google, tap tap Ah, here it
is. In no more than 10 seconds, too (ain't the 'net just great?).:

From: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/10105

Summary:
"The MP3 generation may not remember it, but 20 years ago, Hollywood
fell just one vote short of winning a ban on the VCR. This month
marks the 20th anniversary of the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision in
Universal City Studios v. Sony, the case in which two movie
studios asked the federal courts to impound all Betamax VCRs as
tools of "piracy."

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
Well, from a practical point of view, there are no TV police. You can
tape
to your heart's content, and no one really cares.

And the difference between that and downloading MPS is what, Pete?


Frankly, I feel that this means the law is screwed up and that it ought to
be rewritten to allow that sort of copying. But that doesn't change the
fact that it is technically illegal.

"Technically" my ass. You are so ready to label me a pirate and a thief.
But you do the same thing with VCRs and cable channels and call it
"technically illegal.

Hypocrite . . . Not to mention completely ignorant of the law governing
these matters.

--
Jim Fisher

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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Pete, this was national news back in the eighties! Where were you, man?

I was here, and recall that the decision allowed time-shifting, but not
archiving. As I've already stated.

The attention give to it was of the same magnitude as the RIAA nonsense
today!

Newps could probably give you a cite if he took enough time . . . Aww
hell,
let me take a look for you . . . . google, google, tap tap Ah, here it
is. In no more than 10 seconds, too (ain't the 'net just great?).:

Unfortunately, the citation you've provided only relates how the VCR was
deemed legal. File sharing software is legal as well, but that doesn't mean
that all uses of the software are legal, nor are all uses of the VCR legal.

Pete

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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And the difference between that and downloading MPS is what, Pete?

There is none.

"Technically" my ass. You are so ready to label me a pirate and a thief.
But you do the same thing with VCRs and cable channels and call it
"technically illegal.

I do not do the same thing with VCRs and cable channels. I feel that the
law is wrong, but I obey it nonetheless. I don't care enough about it to
turn it into some sort of "civil disobedience" thing, nor to bother lobbying
to have the law changed.

Hypocrite . . . Not to mention completely ignorant of the law governing
these matters.

"Hypocrite"? Again with that word. You don't seem to really understand
what it means.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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Pete, this was national news back in the eighties! Where were you, man?


I was here, and recall that the decision allowed time-shifting, but not
archiving. As I've already stated.

There is/was no such distinction.

"Peter Duniho" wrote:

Well, from a practical point of view, there are no TV police.

In the US, maybe. Elsewhere, where there is a tax on television
receivers, there really *is* a TV Police.

Rob

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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There is nothing illegal about me recording music for my personal use
from the radio. Same goes for TV.

If you save the recording, there is. You have the right to time-shift.
You
do not have the right to archive (which is what's being discussed here).

Are you claiming, then, that it is legal to record what's on the radio or
TV, but it is a crime to fail to erase the recording sometime later?

"Newps" wrote in message
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There is/was no such distinction.

As I said, if that's true, it should be easy enough for you to provide a
citation. Please feel free to do so any time you'd like to actually back up
your statement.

"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
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In the US, maybe. Elsewhere, where there is a tax on television
receivers, there really *is* a TV Police.

Uck. I guess for that matter, it's only a matter of time before we DO have
the TV Police, the way things are going in this country.

Rob Perkins wrote:

In the US, maybe. Elsewhere, where there is a tax on television
receivers, there really *is* a TV Police.

You mean you have a tax on TV's other than the normal sales taxes?
Would this be a yearly deal?