Stupid Attorney taling about GPS's

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The attorney does not sound very stupid to me. His remarks do show what he
thinks of the jury.



And as a further comment, why would he not think that? Juries are made up of
people who have nothing better to do than watch Oprah. Not only that, but
they actually believe the idiocy spewing from people like Oprah. Anybody
smart enough to actually do something productive for a living either is
excused from jury duty or is excluded by an attorney who does not want
anyone with critical thinking skills on the jury.

The last time I was in a jury pool I told the judge the truth when he asked
whether I would serve on a jury. I told him that no attorney would accept my
presence on a jury because I had an IQ greater than that of a meatloaf
(granted, it is not a lot greater). I said that I had been called for jury
many times and that I had never been allowed to serve on a jury for that
reason. He agreed and excused me, somewhat to the discomfiture of those
already selected to the jury.

The jury is made up of your peers only if you are a complete moron.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The attorney does not sound very stupid to me. His remarks do show what
he
thinks of the jury.



And as a further comment, why would he not think that? Juries are made up
of
people who have nothing better to do than watch Oprah. Not only that, but
they actually believe the idiocy spewing from people like Oprah. Anybody
smart enough to actually do something productive for a living either is
excused from jury duty or is excluded by an attorney who does not want
anyone with critical thinking skills on the jury.

In fact, laser based surveying is the accepted means for accurate surveying
measurments in California Courts.

The last time I was in a jury pool I told the judge the truth when he
asked
whether I would serve on a jury. I told him that no attorney would accept
my
presence on a jury because I had an IQ greater than that of a meatloaf
(granted, it is not a lot greater). I said that I had been called for jury
many times and that I had never been allowed to serve on a jury for that
reason. He agreed and excused me, somewhat to the discomfiture of those
already selected to the jury.

I just say, "I am a registered professional engineer" and they tell me to go
home.

The jury is made up of your peers only if you are a complete moron.

I think the prosecution can afford to stipulate to the 7.2 meter maximum
error. (unaugmented)

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The attorney does not sound very stupid to me. His remarks do show what he
thinks of the jury.

What jury? Geragos and the DA are still in pretrial motions.

But was it TSO'd and permanently installed by a certificated
avionics technician??? If not how could it possibly be at all
accurate????

John Price
CFII/AGI/IGI
http://home.att.net/~jm.price


"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
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I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder
trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started
to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it
and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder
scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS
is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the
moronic comment of:
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Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.
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I don't know if they are approved for auto-landing but
I'm fairly certain it can get me a few hundred feet AGL
on the exact glideslope of an airport 8000 miles away.
I'd generally consider that accurate enough. grin

My handheld GPS-V for my car has lead me to within a few
feet of the front *main* door of places in Amsterdam, Rome,
New York and San Francisco. I'd generally consider that accurate.




Gerald

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:38:41 GMT, "john price"
wrote:

But was it TSO'd and permanently installed by a certificated
avionics technician??? If not how could it possibly be at all
accurate????

I was stopped by the police on my way to a flying lesson. The copper
ended his (cheery) lecture by saying "Mr. Doppler is never wrong!"

I told this to my flight instructor, formerly an engineer. He said:
"That would be true only if Doppler callibrated the instrument."


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Yup, and there is the 60mph bank, where every time the radar gun is at a
certain spot the bank registers at 60 mph... microwave motion detector at
the bank leaking radiation that mixes with the gun's frequency to produce
the spoofed reading
Oh, the officer will tell you that can't be... Ask him, what do you think
that the ECM box on an F 14/15/16/18/22/117 fighter does when an enemy fire
control radar tries to lock on...
denny

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:38:41 GMT, "john price"
wrote:

But was it TSO'd and permanently installed by a certificated
avionics technician??? If not how could it possibly be at all
accurate????

I was stopped by the police on my way to a flying lesson. The copper
ended his (cheery) lecture by saying "Mr. Doppler is never wrong!"

I told this to my flight instructor, formerly an engineer. He said:
"That would be true only if Doppler callibrated the instrument."


all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

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and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:42:41 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
wrote:

Yup, and there is the 60mph bank, where every time the radar gun is at a
certain spot the bank registers at 60 mph... microwave motion detector at
the bank leaking radiation that mixes with the gun's frequency to produce
the spoofed reading
Oh, the officer will tell you that can't be... Ask him, what do you think
that the ECM box on an F 14/15/16/18/22/117 fighter does when an enemy fire
control radar tries to lock on...
denny

As a side note to your comment, When I was an officer on patrol, I
was out by the airport running radar when an F-16 was doing low
approaches. Curiousity got to me so I pulled the radar out of its
mount and got out of the car and pointed it at him. Once he got into
my range (speed or distance, I dont know because it started reading
199 which is the highest it will go) I started clocking him, If I
recall correctly as he was about to execute the missed, he was doing
about 140mph. I sat there for a little while longer to watch him
come back again. I again started tracking him with my radar. My LED
readout then showed JAMMED. I had to laugh as I could just see him
shooting me the bird as he flew by.

Scott

There is a story I have read that concerns a couple of english constables on
road patrol near an RAF airbase... As a pair of the base's Tornados in tight
formation, came low along the road, the officers tilted their dash unit and
got a radar speed reading well above the posted limit obviously... On a
lark, one officer drove out to the airbase and asked to speak to the flight
commander... He then advised the officer he wanted to give the pilots a
warning ticket for speeding...
The flight commander laughed and said the pilots had mentioned that they had
a sudden 'radar lock alarm' on their ECM panels, and the only reason the
officer was able to be there was that their ECM Auto Protect was in standby
mode, otherwise he would have gotten a HARM missile (high speed
antiradiation missile) up his ahem radar gun...

Don't know the truth in this story, but it is amusing...
denny

"SD" sdatverizondot.net@ wrote in message My LED
readout then showed JAMMED. I had to laugh as I could just see him
shooting me the bird as he flew by.

Scott

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:52:39 GMT, Gerald Sylvester
wrote:

I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder
trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started
to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it
and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder
scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS
is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the
moronic comment of:
-------------
Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.
--------------

Since the original report, there has been a second news release after the
defense got the actual records from the prosecution. In several instances, the
GPS readings had Peterson's truck at two different locations hundreds of miles
apart in 6 or 7 minutes, at an equivalent ground speed of something like 260
mph. The errors occurred often enough that the defense thought they ought to
challenge all of the GPS data. Another problem was the GPS transmitted
constantly to the police through cell phone connections which may have distorted
the data.

All the proceeding comments were taken from TV media reports, so take their
accuracy with a grain of salt.

Ron

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:52:39 GMT, Gerald Sylvester
wrote:

Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.

Well, that's how a defense attorney earns his cat food. I rather liked
the quote

(Note that the bit about "dozens of satellites" was almost certainly
written by the reporter, and is not a quote from the lawyer.)
all the best -- Dan Ford
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