F'ing insurance industry

In the world of Islam, *everything* is an "Act of Allah"

Which pretty well explains most of the problems in the world today.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And the company earns the penny or two of interest on YOUR money too

Dave

Peter R. wrote:

gatt wrote:


As punishment for her comment, I didn't enroll in direct deposit. They
drive out and hand-deliver my paycheck each week.


Which, in order to deposit that check, you have to take time out of your
business day to drive/walk to the bank and either wait in line inside or
at the drive-up. Once the check is deposited into your account, your
bank will then make you wait three business days for the check to clear
before the funds are available for your use.

Yeah, you were punishing them with that decision, alright...

In the world of Islam, *everything* is an "Act of Allah"

Well,,,if thats the case....isnt everything the USA doing Allahs will? and if
so whats their beef with the USA?

Sounds to me if they are unhappy they need to take it up with Allah....

The question one really needs to ask themselves is "who would Jesus bomb?"

take care

Blll

omeone else knowing what you're going to do does not mean you have no free
will. It simply means he knows what you're going to do. As long as you are
still capable of making the decision one way or the other, you h

and so on and so on...

Brings up an idea that occured to me not too long ago.....

When push comes to shove everything is random (at the quantum level)....

And when push comes to shove....people are just fancy computers with built in
flaws and random decision trees at some level...

And if you look at it that way its hard to come up with "free will" unless you
just wave a magic wand and say there is something like a soul (not saying there
is or isnt here)...

But here is the point I am getting too...

So, you have this human computer with no free will....but at some level
it...and everything else that happens in the world is random....more so the
farther you go into the future....

So, you can have NO free will....yet the future is UNPREDICTABLE.....

an exact opposite of the " free will but the future is know" paradox....

take care

Blll

"Peter Duniho" wrote:
What kind of aircraft would an omnipotent being fly?

God has an infinite supply of new Bonanzas. He amuses Himself by
crashing them while he is playing doctor.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"knows" implies that it is knowable, and thus that it is determined.

Nope. You presume that the knowing comes about through some form of
determinism.


Knowing (and being correct) implies that the thing that is known will happen,
and will happen just one way - the way it does happen. The way it is known to
will happen. So it can only happen THAT way, otherwise the entity knowing
would be incorrect (and would not "know"). Thus it is determined.


But an omnipotent being is not so limited. An omnipotent
being would just as easily know in advance of non-deterministic events and
deterministic events.

I refer you back to the immoveable mountain paradox.


Well, that is a paradox. The question has no "truth value" (answer). Consider
the statement "this statement is false". Is it true? I can get even more
convoluted if you like; the upshot is there are questions with no answer, and
there are questions whose answer exists, but cannot be known. Determinsim does
not imply knowledge, but knowlege does imply determinism. I refer you to
"Godel Escher Bach".


I also chastise you for not including at least some semblance of on-topic
content. I won't bother in this post do the same, since it apparently goes
unappreciated.


This is a thread about insurance. Insurance is based on having an unknowable,
and having the company knowing as much about it as it can. Ironically, once it
knows everything about it, it becomes superfluous. So insurance eats itself on
the same altar as determinism and free will.

Jose


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(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

gatt wrote:

My employer chose perhaps the most expensive and most useless insurance
policy they could, and today I called up Allegis Benefits and chewed them
up. Check this out:

"What is not covered under all plans:
- Suicide or attempted suicide while sane or insane
- Acts of war (declared or undeclared)
- Your commission of a felony
- Your operating, riding in, or descending from any ay aircraft other than
while a fare-paying passenger on a licensed, commercial, non-military
aircraft..."

Is this life insurance or medical insurance? I've seen these exclusions
in life insurance polices but not medical ones (not that I've seen many
medical insurance policies in my time, but still, that's a new one on me).

If it is a medical policy, I wonder if you could buy a supplemental
policy somewhere that covers only the stuff excluded by the main policy.
Sorta like a pilot's add-on insurance. If we aren't really as much
of a risk to insure that they think we are, someone could make a mint
selling these policies, no?

Jay,

You should call my insurance agent.


Trip

In article 7pekc.17445$RE1.1491868@attbi_s54, says...

I finished the call by telling her that insurance industry employees will
never be welcome in my cockpit. That should be a standing code among GA
pilots: If an insurance employee wants to fly, he or she can take a jet
or
leap from a building. There's no room in general aviation for people who
liken pilots to felons and the insane.

Your anger should be directed at your employer, not the insurance company
who simply tried to come up with the cheapest piece-of-crap-policy your
employer was willing to buy.

That said, I hate insurance companies even more than you do. You wouldn't
believe what it costs to insure my little hotel -- and, since they all work
in cahoots with each other, no other insurance company will even give me a
QUOTE, let alone offer a lower rate.

It ought to be illegal.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

(Teacherjh) wrote in
:


"knows" implies that it is knowable, and thus that it is determined.

Nope. You presume that the knowing comes about through some form of
determinism.


Knowing (and being correct) implies that the thing that is known will
happen, and will happen just one way - the way it does happen. The
way it is known to will happen. So it can only happen THAT way,
otherwise the entity knowing would be incorrect (and would not
"know"). Thus it is determined.


But an omnipotent being is not so limited. An omnipotent
being would just as easily know in advance of non-deterministic events
and deterministic events.

I refer you back to the immoveable mountain paradox.


Well, that is a paradox. The question has no "truth value" (answer).
Consider the statement "this statement is false". Is it true? I can
get even more convoluted if you like; the upshot is there are
questions with no answer, and there are questions whose answer exists,
but cannot be known. Determinsim does not imply knowledge, but
knowlege does imply determinism. I refer you to "Godel Escher Bach".


I also chastise you for not including at least some semblance of
on-topic content. I won't bother in this post do the same, since it
apparently goes unappreciated.


This is a thread about insurance. Insurance is based on having an
unknowable, and having the company knowing as much about it as it can.
Ironically, once it knows everything about it, it becomes
superfluous. So insurance eats itself on the same altar as
determinism and free will.

Jose



The answer is 42.... now what is the question???

It has been said that if both the question and the answer where known in
the same universe, the universe as we know it would cease to exist and
would be replaced by something even more inexplicable... some say this
has already happened.....

very big grin

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

So, you can have NO free will....yet the future is UNPREDICTABLE.....

an exact opposite of the " free will but the future is know" paradox....

Thanks, Bill, for making this discussion even LESS cogent.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"