"Proceed on Course" = "Right turn approved"?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Because 91.129(a) requires compliance with 91.126.

But...what does 91.126 say???? Read it!
It states "at untowered" airports.....

Bob

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance.
[...]

Just to play devil's advocate, why would you need to cross the
extended centerline?

I've never heard that rule, but assuming it exists, I think the situation
where it would be more relevant would be an airport with parallel runways.

Sure would be nice if someone who thinks the rule exists would cite the
regulation where it appears.

Pete

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:01:10 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

At a towered airport you make left turns while approaching to land, unless
instructed otherwise.

But the question was about a departure, not approach. Does this rule
apply during departure?

Corky Scott

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

If you depart from a runway, or helo pad, etc., other than the
"Departure" runway.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:44:28 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat"
wrote:

I took of from Reading, PA this morning from RW 31 with an on-course heading
of 105. As I was cleared for takeoff, I was told "Cleared for takeoff,
proceed on course". In the past, they've also added "Right turn approved".
This time they didn't. I was concerned that I hadn't been cleared for a
right turn, and a right turn would have gotten me on course sooner. I then
said "Request right turn to on course" but the controller seemed a bit
irritated and just added "On course approved". Did I have permission for a
right turn in the pattern or not?

On course means just that. You had permission to make a turn to
oncourse. Unless previous instructions had been given, I would assume
the shortest turn to 'on course' was expected.

Bob Moore wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Because 91.129(a) requires compliance with 91.126.

But...what does 91.126 say???? Read it!
It states "at untowered" airports.....

Yes. At an untowered airport in class D airspace, it is left traffic unless
otherwise...

Now is it all clear?

Laugh

- Andrew

Bill Zaleski wrote:

Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.

Eh? At CDW, we often have departures from 27 and both arrivals and
departures on 22. Closed traffic uses 22 at these times, of course.

However, 22 being right-traffic, anyone in the pattern for 22 (and this
includes arrivals entering the downwind at midfield due to the layout of
the airport) is crossing 27's extended centerline.

- Andrew

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:04:23 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .

Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.


How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

When issued a downwind departure and your desired course is on the
other side of the extended centerline. Yes, I know you should have
been issued a downwind that put you ohn the correct side, but it
doesn't always happen.

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
...

When issued a downwind departure and your desired course is on the
other side of the extended centerline. Yes, I know you should have
been issued a downwind that put you ohn the correct side, but it
doesn't always happen.


That doesn't follow the situation we are discussing. Recall that it was
stated; "At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed."

You responded; "Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure
runway centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a
lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so."

Now the situation is not one where you turn whatever direction you want, the
tower has issued a turn away from your direction of flight. But no matter,
at whatever point you are issued "proceed on course", it means from your
present position turn in the shortest direction toward your desired
destination. Even if it does cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline well inside the "D".

the shortest turn to reach the desired heading..

a good response would have been, "roger, cleared on course, right to heading
105"
that would have given the controller the acknowledgement and some
information without questioning

BT

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
...
I took of from Reading, PA this morning from RW 31 with an on-course
heading
of 105. As I was cleared for takeoff, I was told "Cleared for takeoff,
proceed on course". In the past, they've also added "Right turn
approved".
This time they didn't. I was concerned that I hadn't been cleared for a
right turn, and a right turn would have gotten me on course sooner. I
then
said "Request right turn to on course" but the controller seemed a bit
irritated and just added "On course approved". Did I have permission for
a
right turn in the pattern or not?

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America