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"Ash Wyllie" wrote

It's going to be a close election. If the SS shoots enough of the right
people
the outcaom could be changed.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

Starting with you? g
--
Jim in NC

In article , "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" writes:
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" (that I know of). Folks in the
Academy of Model Aeronautics are doing what they can to get
the word out, but lots of RC pilots are not AMA members.
There is no obligation to be a member in order to fly on private
property or wherever permission is granted by the owner(s).

.... or to fly on PUBLIC property regardless of what the AMA thinks...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
To reply, remove the TRABoD!
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org

Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
...

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" (that I know of).


But if you're arrested and are ignorant of your right to remain silent, and
the cops fail to make you aware of that right, you walk.

On 28 Aug 2004 07:20:17 -0500, oD (Bob
Kaplow) wrote:

In article , "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" writes:
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" (that I know of). Folks in the
Academy of Model Aeronautics are doing what they can to get
the word out, but lots of RC pilots are not AMA members.
There is no obligation to be a member in order to fly on private
property or wherever permission is granted by the owner(s).

... or to fly on PUBLIC property regardless of what the AMA thinks...

Agreed. It all depends on what permission the managers of the
public property are willing to grant.

It seems to me that flying is not a right; it is a privilege and a
joy.

Marty

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:25:39 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

I used to fly from a baseball diamond. They're gonna close that?

It depends on what you're flying and how much the local
enforcers want to crack down.

When I picture a confrontation between me and the cops,
I picture myself doing whatever they tell me to do, all things
being equal. I understand that other people are made of
sterner stuff and enjoy fighting with armed officers more
than I do. (

Marty

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:18:20 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

I wonder if some of the HSA people saw posts similar to the model B-52 posts that
were going around in this group recently and took some of the humorous comments
seriously.

I hope that someone is thinking about what can be done with RPVs.

I know that the Academy of Model Aeronautics is worried about them.

I hope that some resolution can be reached that will allow the
innocent to continue enjoying a great hobby while the guilty are
detected and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

One non-religious Muslim in our group has already been visited
by the FBI. It was a cordial visit spurred by Erol's purchase of
two quarts of hydrochloric acid from an auto store (if I remember
correctly). They were on his doorstep later that day. He was
using the acid to anodize some aluminum parts. He answered
the door wearing a T-shirt with some nuclear symbols on it
from his day job at a nuclear research center. I imagine it was
a little tense at first, but he's laughing about it now.

Marty

Tangential correction...

You probably will not walk, but whatever you say without benefit of council
will probably not be admissible at your trial.



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
...

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" (that I know of).


But if you're arrested and are ignorant of your right to remain silent,
and
the cops fail to make you aware of that right, you walk.

Bill Denton wrote:

You probably will not walk, but whatever you say without benefit of council
will probably not be admissible at your trial.

Even if you do walk, you will be a much poorer individual. A competent attorney will
charge a contingency fee of several thousand just to handle a felony charge. If it
gets before a jury, you'll be into the tens of thousands.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
...

It seems to me that flying is not a right; it is a privilege and a
joy.


Actually, flying IS a right. In the US, our rights are not granted by our
government, we simply have them. Our government recognizes that our rights
are endowed by our creator, that they are unalienable rights. Our country
was founded on that notion, I refer you to this little nugget from the
Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Here's another little nugget, this one is from the Federal Aviation Act of
1958:

PUBLIC RIGHT OF TRANSIT

Sec. 104 [49 U. S. Code 1304]. There is hereby recognized and declared to
exist in behalf of any citizen of the United States a public right of
freedom of transit through the navigable airspace of the United States.

Source: Sec. 3, Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938.

Note that Sec. 104 does not grant the right to fly, it simply recognizes
that it exists. None of our rights are granted by the government, we simply
have them. Now, there are certainly rules to be followed, but those rules
don't take away from your rights, they protect the rights of others.

You have a right to fly, it is not a privilege. If you meet all the
requirements, you cannot be denied an airman's certificate, you have a right
to it.

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...

Tangential correction...

You probably will not walk, but whatever you say without benefit
of council will probably not be admissible at your trial.


Correction...

Counsel.