Another Attempt To Hinder GA

"Doug" wrote in message
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Ok, I can see you point. Im sure there are more that hate us today. Like
the French, Germans adn Russians for us stopping their billions in illegal
UN oil for food money. Guess Russia now sees what terror actually means,
a shame that so many children and the innocent had to die. Interesting
isn't it? they were so against the war and yet the Islamo-facists STILL
killed their children, blew 2 planes out of the sky and blew up a subway.
And they were not even in Iraq... (guess there goes ALL your reasoning)

I feel so honored to be in the presence of someone who knows what every
country's reasoning was. I sure would appreciate reading some of your
papers and articles on the subject. Silly me, I was under the clear
misunderstanding that these countries, even though they knew "terrorism"
more than we did and earlier than we did, were concerned that a war in Iraq,
even though easy enough to get into and "win," would be extremely difficult
to get out of and not have the desired effect.

Lets see who else is more mad at us today...

Actually it is our unilateralism and arrogance that people dislike, plus the
parallels to a "crusade." Right after 9/11 we had world sympathy, but
managed to turn that into more distrust and hatred than we had before that
event.

But thanks to self-loathers and America haters like yourself you
feed poision into our countries resolve and they get stronger with each
word you type.

Disagreeing with the administration does not make Pete a self-loather or
America hater. Being that America is the leader of the free world, where
freedoms are important and part of the nature of the country, your
statements implying one must have blind faith in the administration and
questioning their direction is unpatriotic is far more anti-American by far.

Stand behind them folks there Pete.. sure your families real proud of that.

Ah, very good, you are doing a great job of attacking the person rather than
just simply disagreeing with his opinion.

and to summarize, chew me..you do not decide or dictate how I express
myself, I will post as I choose.

Good for you, you have that freedom. So does Pete, in case you didn't
notice.

Again couldnt agree with you more. My guess is that our great President
is
beating the democrats to the entitlement punch.

*chuckle*

Prove to me where the changes that the President has lead us on havent
done
any good. I can show you that they have.

You haven't shown anything, or proven anything. You just have blind faith
trust in an administration, which by virtually every measurable metric, has
done an exceptionally poor job. Just a few: size of government, budget,
fiscal responsibility, environment, jobs, economy, representing all
Americans, openness, conflict of interest issues, diplomacy,
competitiveness, immigration, healthcare, security.

Crapshoot whether Kerry will do better but it would be really hard to
imagine he could do worse.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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You haven't shown anything, or proven anything. You just have blind faith
trust in an administration, which by virtually every measurable metric,
has done an exceptionally poor job. Just a few: size of government,
budget, fiscal responsibility, environment, jobs, economy, representing
all Americans, openness, conflict of interest issues, diplomacy,
competitiveness, immigration, healthcare, security.

Crapshoot whether Kerry will do better but it would be really hard to
imagine he could do worse.




Excellent summation of the past four years. I can't believe what a poor
campaign Kerry is running, but I'm going to vote for him anyway.

Michael

In article , Doug wrote:
Ok, I can see you point. Im sure there are more that hate us today. Like
the French, Germans adn Russians for us stopping their billions in illegal
UN oil for food money. Guess Russia now sees what terror actually means,
a shame that so many children and the innocent had to die. Interesting
isn't it? they were so against the war and yet the Islamo-facists STILL
killed their children, blew 2 planes out of the sky and blew up a subway.

On a point of pedantry, you're very wrong about the Russians. Their
terrorism problem is about Chechnya, and nothing to do with Osama's lot.

You might want to read up about the Russian situation with Chechnya.
Google is your friend. Don't expect Fox News to give you the facts on
anything, if you want to talk about Russia's enemies, learn who they are
first.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:

In article , Doug wrote:
Ok, I can see you point. Im sure there are more that hate us today. Like
the French, Germans adn Russians for us stopping their billions in illegal
UN oil for food money. Guess Russia now sees what terror actually means,
a shame that so many children and the innocent had to die. Interesting
isn't it? they were so against the war and yet the Islamo-facists STILL
killed their children, blew 2 planes out of the sky and blew up a subway.

On a point of pedantry, you're very wrong about the Russians. Their
terrorism problem is about Chechnya, and nothing to do with Osama's lot.

You might want to read up about the Russian situation with Chechnya.
Google is your friend. Don't expect Fox News to give you the facts on
anything, if you want to talk about Russia's enemies, learn who they are
first.

Our troops in Afghanistan have encountered a number of Chechens. I would
not discount the Chechen/Al-Quaida connection.

Dylan Smith wrote

You might want to read up about the Russian situation with Chechnya.
Google is your friend. Don't expect Fox News to give you the facts on
anything, if you want to talk about Russia's enemies, learn who they are
first.

Excuse me--where exactly did the original poster mention Fox News as a
source? And if he did, why should one automatically assume the
information to be false?

If you're going to lecture someone on how to make a convincing
argument, engaging in "proof by assertion" yourself may not be the
most effective means.

Jim Rosinski

Dylan Smith wrote in

On a point of pedantry, you're very wrong about the Russians. Their
terrorism problem is about Chechnya, and nothing to do with Osama's
lot.
You might want to read up about the Russian situation with Chechnya.
Google is your friend. Don't expect Fox News to give you the facts on
anything, if you want to talk about Russia's enemies, learn who they
are first.


The first thing liberal weenies do is blame Fox news for Propaganda. I
thank Fox news for finally I can see both sides, the Republican Support
as well as Democratic support. I no longer am FORCED to the left-
leaning liberal broadcast networks...Freedom of speech Dylan, again
something you lefties are against. So lets get back to your point...

Nothing to do with Osama...??
Osamas claim is jihad in the name of alla to destroy all infadel nations
(read:everynation that does not get on their knees praying to mecca 5x's
a day). So lets see where that battle takes us smart guy...

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (Biasd media)

MOSCOW - Rebels linked to the school hostage-taking seek independence
from Russia and most want to make Chechnya a sovereign Muslim nation.

Chechens have been affiliated with the al Qaeda terror network, and an
Arab connection suggests a further link between the Chechen rebel
movement and international terrorism. Chechen rebels have been fighting
Russian troops for a decade, seeking independence. Itar-Tass quoted an
unidentified intelligence official as saying the school assault was
financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an Arab who allegedly represents al Qaeda
in Chechnya, and directed by Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev, The
Associated Press reported.

and

http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...ling102402.asp
(Consertitive media)

In December 1994, Jokar Dudayev, a former Soviet air-force general,
began fighting for an independent Chechnya. Since then, Moscow has seen
a series of bombings which are thought to have been carried out by
Chechen Islamists.

That al Qaeda has trained these Chechens — and perhaps even planned some
of their operations — is clear. In fact, the Chechen conflict has long
been seen by bin Laden as but one front in the global jihad which began
on February 14, 1989, when the last Soviet soldiers Afghanistan.

After the Soviets left Afghanistan, a multinational force of mujahadin
slithered into Chechnya. The key operative was Jordanian Omar Ibn al
Khattab, who had trained in bin Laden's camps. Bin Laden and Khattab
enjoyed an unusually close theological affinity, and exchanged personnel
and resources.

AND YOUR MSNBC LIBERAL LOT HAS THIS TO SAY ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889819/site/newsweek/

Indeed, a close reading of the recent report by the September 11
commission reveals 27 different references to connections between Al
Qaeda and the Chechen rebels

BBC's Liberal PROPAGANDA DISPUTES YOU TOO:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2372971.stm
Al-Qaeda suspect tells of Chechnya link


I have about 100 more before I realized im having a battle of wits with
an un-armed man. Yep Google is my friend and your downfall.. Turning
your back to the truth is not going to make terrorists want to kill you
and your family any less.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:16:44 GMT, FullName
wrote:

Remember, it's the GOP that wants less Government and less
restrictions.

Hmmm, GW has been in office for almost four years now, do we have less
government, or do we have more, with more restrictions?

But wake up.. the world has changed, evil exists and it has
to be delt with.

Hmmm, his own commision, with access to all the top security
information they need to investigate the 9/11 attacks, has concluded
that there was no corroborating information connecting Iraq to the
attacks. That did not stop Bush from invaded Iraq anyway(Bush
obviously had all the information the commission had), or claiming
since the commission's report that we are safer for having invaded.
Weiner's bill is the same kind of ethereal thinking.

I agree with AOPA and EAA, Most GA aircraft do not carry enough to be
a threat.

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote in
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:16:44 GMT, FullName
wrote:

Remember, it's the GOP that wants less Government and less
restrictions.

Hmmm, GW has been in office for almost four years now, do we have less
government, or do we have more, with more restrictions?


We've covered this at length.. your a bit behind in the thread


But wake up.. the world has changed, evil exists and it has
to be delt with.

Hmmm, his own commision, with access to all the top security
information they need to investigate the 9/11 attacks, has concluded
that there was no corroborating information connecting Iraq to the
attacks. That did not stop Bush from invaded Iraq anyway(Bush
obviously had all the information the commission had), or claiming
since the commission's report that we are safer for having invaded.
Weiner's bill is the same kind of ethereal thinking.


Corky.. your not looking at what was written, your taking Dan Rathers
class on journalism and making your own version up arent you?

NO ONE, NOT EVEN OUR PRESIDENT EVER SAID IRAQ was involved in the 9-11
murders of our 3,000 citizens.

But what has been PROVEN is that they did provide material support to
terrorists across the globe including AL QUEDA. And President Bush has
said, if you harbor or provide support for the terrorists you are just
as guilty as the terrorist.

You know with your "logic" we should have never had gone into europe
after Japan murdered our citizens in Hawaii...Germany and Italy had
nothing to do with that... would you agree?




I agree with AOPA and EAA, Most GA aircraft do not carry enough to be
a threat.

have you seen what 800lbs of c4 can do? GA aircraft can be a threat,
just like anything with 800lbs of c4 in it is. Its AOPAs airport watch
programs and responsible flying community with a sharp eye that keeps
General aviation safe.

-Doug

Doug wrote:

You know with your "logic" we should have never had gone into europe
after Japan murdered our citizens in Hawaii...Germany and Italy had
nothing to do with that... would you agree?

And we would not have gone into Europe after Pearl Harbor. We went into Europe
because Germany declared war on the United States.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...

And we would not have gone into Europe after Pearl Harbor. We went
into Europe because Germany declared war on the United States.


We were already involved in the European war by Pearl Harbor.