Another Cirrus 'chute deployment

There's a William K. Graham listed as a certified training instructor
on the Cirrus Design web site. He's from San Diego. Anyone want to bet
that is the same guy in the article? If so, Mr. Graham is a CFI and is
instrument rated, which makes the description of the incident all that
more puzzling.

C J Campbell wrote:

Then you probably would not like to fly in airliners, either.

You're correct, I think flying in airliners is very boring.

My concerns weren't safety related. I think the Cirrus must be safe,
otherwise it wouldn't have been certified. As a pilot, I just want a
plane which can be controlled in every situation, spins included.

Stefan

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:29:49 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

C,

None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.


Here we go again. This statement is BS! And you know it!

What is correct is that, regardless of people who claim to know people
who tested the Cirrus spin recovery, Cirrus has not demonstrated to
the FAA that it can recover from a spin, and the Cirrus certification
is based upon the use of the chute so that it would not have to
demonstrate spin recovery (equivalent level of safety).

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
C,

None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.


Here we go again. This statement is BS! And you know it!

If it is BS, then show me one instance of a Cirrus recovering from a spin.

CJ Campbell wrote

There is not enough rudder
authority to recover. The Cirrus has never demonstrated a spin recovery,
though it has been tried.


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:21:28 GMT, "Hilton"
wrote:


I don't believe either of these statements are correct - if you have
references agreeing with you, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

CJ Campbell

I wonder if Borchert or Hilton (or anyone else, for that matter) can show
where a Cirrus did successfully recover from a spin without deploying the
parachute.


It's official folks. We have a Mexican standoff!

z

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.

If it is baloney, show me even one single instance where a Cirrus recovered
from a spin.

"zatatime" wrote in message
news
CJ Campbell wrote

There is not enough rudder
authority to recover. The Cirrus has never demonstrated a spin
recovery,
though it has been tried.


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:21:28 GMT, "Hilton"
wrote:


I don't believe either of these statements are correct - if you have
references agreeing with you, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

CJ Campbell

I wonder if Borchert or Hilton (or anyone else, for that matter) can show
where a Cirrus did successfully recover from a spin without deploying the
parachute.


It's official folks. We have a Mexican standoff!

Not really. You cannot prove that something has never happened. Try proving
that there are no UFOs or even tigers hiding in your yard, for example.
(Can't find any? That's because they are hiding!) However, if anyone will
kindly supply evidence of a Cirrus recovering from a spin without deploying
the parachute, I will happily accept it.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Brenor,

or the pilot simply
followed the instructions to use the BSR in the event of a spin.


Actually, the instructions are to try conventional recovery techniques
and THEN deploy the chute if they don't work. I wonder if that was
done.

You continue to say this even though the manual does not. The manual
actually prohibits attempts at normal recovery and requires immediate
deployment of the BRS.

ArtP,

Cirrus has not demonstrated to
the FAA that it can recover from a spin, and the Cirrus certification
is based upon the use of the chute so that it would not have to
demonstrate spin recovery (equivalent level of safety).


Yep. And your point is?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Stefan,

As a pilot, I just want a
plane which can be controlled in every situation,


Well, the accident statistics make pilots look pretty bad in that
regard.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)