History of the BFR?

Which is different than acknowledging the fact that they are "unnecessary"
for people like Mary and me who fly twice a week, into all sorts of
airspace.

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

Jose
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Ron Natalie wrote in message om...

There was also an attempt to make it annual for low experience pilots.
This came in with the addition of the Recreational Pilot certificate
as (oddly enough) a bone thrown to the flight instructor lobby over
the lost revenue. They kept rolling forward the effective date until
they finally ditched the concept in the 95 FAR rewrite.

That came about in '88 or '89. As I recall, the rule was that
pilots with less than 300 hrs. were required to have an Annual Flight
Review. I have 2 of those in my logbook. There was much confusion
about the effective dates (FAA would push the date at the last
minute), so I would get a BFR every year just to be on the safe side.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Ross Richardson wrote in message ...
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I do remember there was some outcry. Just about
the same time transponders were mandated.


Ross,

Where were transponders mandated in the 70's? I remember that the
expanded number of TCAs (Class B) and Mode/C requirements showed up in
the late 80's / early 90s as a result of the Cerritos mid-air crash in
'86. Before that, most planes that I flew weren't equipped with
transponders.

Just Curious.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

I don't think you'd like flying for PanAm today!

Karl
"Bob Moore" wrote in message
. 121...
"kage" wrote

However, very few of the GI bill students ever became professional
pilots. Most got their ratings and already had a "good" job. Look at
the poor suckers who went into the airlines for a "career." Have you
EVER seen a happy airline pilot?

YES!!! I was a VERY happy airline pilot at Pan American Airways.
Why would I not have been? A salary better than most of my college
classmates, worked only 12 days/month to earn it, travel free all
over the world and in the better days, a bunch of lovely young ladies
to party with. As a lifestyle, it sure beat anything that my neighbors
were doing.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

John Galban wrote:
Ross Richardson wrote in message ...
snip

I do remember there was some outcry. Just about
the same time transponders were mandated.



Ross,

Where were transponders mandated in the 70's? I remember that the
expanded number of TCAs (Class B) and Mode/C requirements showed up in
the late 80's / early 90s as a result of the Cerritos mid-air crash in
'86. Before that, most planes that I flew weren't equipped with
transponders.

Just Curious.

Originally, there were Group I, Group II, and Group III TCA's (actually
they defined Group III, but there were no actual Group III TCA's established).
Group I required Mode C, Group II required just a transponder. I learned
outside of DEN, so we had transponders, but no mode C (Group II TCA) in
the late 70's/early eighties. Everything else was a TRSA and voluntary.

Cerritos was 1986, and of course the aircraft involved:
1. Was in the TCA illegally
2. The TCA bust was due to the pilot being incapacitated.

Of course, the FAA solution was to make the TCA's bigger and add ARSA's.
They also mandated mode C for many more locations (All TCA's, 30 miles
of TCA's, ARSA's, above 10,000 etc...)

Which is different than acknowledging the fact that they are
"unnecessary" for people like Mary and me who fly twice a week, into all
sorts of airspace.

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment
you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

I understand your sentiment -- it's unwise to be over-confident -- but in
this case it's just plain silly.

A BFR isn't going to prevent me from spiraling into the ground anymore than
reading the FARs will. Both are good things to do, and both are especially
helpful if you're not current -- but neither will make me a better pilot
than flying 100 times per year will.

Which is what I'm currently doing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment
you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

I understand your sentiment -- it's unwise to be over-confident -- but in
this case it's just plain silly.

A BFR isn't going to prevent me from spiraling into the ground anymore than
reading the FARs will.

Of course you have no gaps in knowledge or skill you are aware of. Tell me, do you have any gaps you are UNaware of?

IF you say "no", you are a statistic waiting to happen, and you won't be waiting too long. If you say "probably", then you are a statisitic that is waiting to not happen, if you take the right action.

Jose
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Of course you have no gaps in knowledge or skill you are aware of. Tell
me, do you have any gaps you are UNaware of?

IF you say "no", you are a statistic waiting to happen, and you won't be
waiting too long. If you say "probably", then you are a statisitic that
is waiting to not happen, if you take the right action.

Of course I have huge gaps in my knowledge. I have not flown at night in
IFR conditions. I have not flown in winds over 62 knots. I have never
flown with a cylinder that has blown off. I've never flown with an
in-flight fire...

And so on.

The problem, of course, is that I know in advance precisely what is covered
in the BFR, and practice it twice a week. This makes learning anything new
from a BFR problematic, although I do usually come away from a BFR with a
new thing or two. Which is why it's a good thing.

Which, again, is quite different from saying that a BFR is "necessary" for a
pilot who flies as often as Mary and I do. Quite frankly, it's not.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Which, again, is quite different from saying that a BFR is "necessary" for a
pilot who flies as often as Mary and I do. Quite frankly, it's not.

When you say that, it tells me one thing. When somebody else says that (about you), it tells me another thing.

Are pilot certificates necessary? I sure don't need one.

Jose
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When you say that, it tells me one thing. When somebody else says that
(about you), it tells me another thing.

Are pilot certificates necessary? I sure don't need one.

Obtuse, you are.

Argue more, I will not.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"