how illegal am I?

tony roberts wrote:
There's only one "R" in AROW nowadays, you know. The missing one if for the redidio license.

--
Jim Fisher


So If I read this correctly I don't actually need a redidio licence?
Do I even need a redidio?

I gotta redidio...love listing to them old time redidio shows on it...
the Shadow, Life with Luigi, Dragnet...

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:24:04 GMT, john smith wrote:

Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

Dave Stadt wrote:
You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is
not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.

Thanks, guys. Guess what I found at Larry's website?:

*******************************

b) An aircraft station is licensed by rule and does not need an
individual license issued by the FCC if the aircraft
station is not required by statute, treaty, or agreement to which the
United States is signatory to carry a radio, and the aircraft station
does not make international flights or communications. Even though an
individual license is not required, an aircraft station licensed by
rule
must be operated in accordance with all applicable operating
requirements, procedures, and technical specifications found in this
part.

****************************

Which seems to say that the airplane has a "license" even if it
doesn't have a license!



What all that says is:
1. Radio regulations are governed by an International Agreement... not by
the USA, Canada, or any other one country.
2. That agreement requires a license for the radio (station license) and a
license for the operator (in the case of aviation, an Aeronautical
Restricted Operator's License)
3. The USA and Canada have elected to stop enforcing the station license
requirement (for VHF radio in planes and boats), where they have
jurisdiction.... that is: each within its own borders.
4. The USA has elected to stop enforcing the operator's license requirement
(but Canada continues to enforce it).
5. The rules in Canada and the USA will respect the installation or
operator of another country, (even if there is no license required in that
country), as long as there is a reciprocal agreement that allows the same
for both parties. Unfortunately, such an agreement has not yet been signed
between Canada and the USA.
6. THEREFORE, the *official* position of each country has to revert to
points 1 and 2 above. If "my" citizen operates a radio transmitter outside
of "my own" borders, I must enforce the license requirements, or I am in
breach of the International Agreement that I agreed to and signed.

Your'e not since the radio is not permanantly installed. The J-3 was
built before ARROW.

Have a great one!

Bush

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:19:25 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:


Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

Is this a problem? Should I apply to the FCC for a license, and if so,
what sort of license do I want?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Bush" wrote in message
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Your'e not since the radio is not permanantly installed. The J-3 was
built before ARROW.



What does permanent installation have to do with it?

A radio transmitter in the aeronautical VHF bands requires a station
license.... except that the FCC has waived that requirement, provided the
transmitter is used in accordance with the rest of the rules.

It does not matter whether the transmitter is permanently installed or not.
A handheld is still subject to the same regulations.

"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Bush" wrote in message
...
Your'e not since the radio is not permanantly installed. The J-3 was
built before ARROW.



What does permanent installation have to do with it?

A radio transmitter in the aeronautical VHF bands requires a station
license.... except that the FCC has waived that requirement, provided the
transmitter is used in accordance with the rest of the rules.

It does not matter whether the transmitter is permanently installed or
not.
A handheld is still subject to the same regulations.

Nor does it matter if the plane was built before ARROW (whatever that
means). He was wrong on all counts.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. com...


Nor does it matter if the plane was built before ARROW (whatever that
means). He was wrong on all counts.



ARROW are the current on-board-document rules:

A-irworthiness Certificate
R-egistration Certificate
R-adio Station License
O-perating Limits (POH)
W-eight and balance documentation

He was suggesting that just because an aircraft was built before these rules
came into effect, they don't apply (or at least the radio one does not
apply). That is false, as you said. If you use a radio on an aircraft with
no electric, it (and the operator) still have to comply with the FCC rules.

So, I got my pilot license in 1963 and had to get a radio license too.
I have lost it. Does anyone know if there is an FCC sub-agency who will
replace it for me?

Thanks in advance.

(Of course this begs the question, why do I want it if I don't need it.)

Icebound wrote:

ARROW are the current on-board-document rules:

A-irworthiness Certificate
R-egistration Certificate
R-adio Station License
O-perating Limits (POH)
W-eight and balance documentation

He was suggesting that just because an aircraft was built before these rules
came into effect, they don't apply (or at least the radio one does not
apply). That is false, as you said. If you use a radio on an aircraft with
no electric, it (and the operator) still have to comply with the FCC rules.

But, as of 1996, the radio station license is not required in the United States.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Icebound wrote:

ARROW are the current on-board-document rules:

A-irworthiness Certificate
R-egistration Certificate
R-adio Station License
O-perating Limits (POH)
W-eight and balance documentation

He was suggesting that just because an aircraft was built before these
rules
came into effect, they don't apply (or at least the radio one does not
apply). That is false, as you said. If you use a radio on an aircraft
with
no electric, it (and the operator) still have to comply with the FCC
rules.

But, as of 1996, the radio station license is not required in the United
States.

That is correct. The origional poster implied that AROW or ARROW would not
apply to a Cub because it was built before AROW or ARROW came into common
use. The poster was wrong.


George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
been looking for it.

"Icebound" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. com...


Nor does it matter if the plane was built before ARROW (whatever that
means). He was wrong on all counts.



ARROW are the current on-board-document rules:

No, it is now AROW and has been since 1996.