Please write book

You have another choice as well: run XCSoar in simulator mode at home
while you work out what settings suit you best and see exactly what it
does in a variety of situations.


Martin, I have tried this but there is no way to simulate thermalling or flying at altitude in the simulator that I can see. Kind of boring just sitting on the ground. Maybe we need a wiki for the Simulator too.

On Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:35:07 UTC+2, Soartech wrote:
Martin, I have tried this but there is no way to simulate thermalling or flying at altitude in the simulator that I can see. Kind of boring just sitting on the ground. Maybe we need a wiki for the Simulator too.

Have you read the XCSoar manual?
There's a lot of information in it's 170+ pages.
Simulator mode is described on page 22 of the XCSoar manual.
http://max.kellermann.name/download/...oar-manual.pdf

With XCSoar in simulator mode you just drag the glider icon located in the centre of the map to start flying.
Drag it in the direction you want to fly. The drag length is proportional to the airspeed.

Adjust the heading/track by:
- Dragging the glider icon in a direction or
- Using the left/right cursor keys or
- Click on the track info box and adjust the track manually.

Adjust the airspeed by:
- Dragging the glider icon further or
- Click on the airspeed info box and increment/decrement the airspeed.

Adjust the altitude by clicking on the altitude info box and increment or decrement the altitude.

There is even a way to play NMEA data via a TCP port so that XCSoar thinks it is flying or alternatively you can hook it up to a flight simulator like Condor (without needing to use serial cables IIRC).

On Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:17:55 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie wrote:
You have another choice as well: run XCSoar in simulator mode at home
while you work out what settings suit you best and see exactly what it
does in a variety of situations.

Don't want to mess up your current configuration? Download the Windows
version and run it on your PC (it also runs just fine under Wine on a
Linux box) and then, if you decide you prefer the configuration you've
set up there, copy it over to the rig you fly with.

FYI: There is a native port of XCSoar for Linux (and OSX).
There is no need to muck around with Wine.

If you're running Debian/Ubuntu you can even do a "sudo apt-get install xcsoar" from the command line and be up and running within minutes (although the version will be a little dated). Then just download a map and waypoint file and you're good to go.

Solution: (drumroll......) Get a smartphone (used on eBay). Tadaaaah!

This conversation is akin to saying I want to go bicycle riding...but don't want to buy a bike???? XCSoar software is (of course)free. A used android smartphone is $50-$250 bucks.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...alID=EB AY-US

"You can lead a horse to the water but can't make it drink..."

A fully functional, outstanding soaring flight computer for $125. Nice phone too if you can bear to bring yourself into the 21st century.

Complaining about flight computers, books and manuals with this kind of high performance and extremely low cost solution available is unnecessary. All you really get with a $6000 spend on the "fancy stuff" is a brighter in panel display, airspeed and temp integration (wind, higher accuracy) and stick controllers. You can always mount the smart phone on the panel with industrial Velcro or a accessory mount...

Take a look at the Nexus 7 WiFi - less that 100 bucks - great in sun light - running XCSOAR (I actually run TopHat by Rob Dunning - a new interface for XCSOAR - which makes the display and loading the site files simple even better)

you will not be disappointed and you can reach out to a bunch of people to ask questions. It is an powerful setup - and take 10 minutes form install to using it in your glider, promise

WH1

To Sean and the others~
I wish you would quit pushing smart phones on us. I spent all my money on an ASW-28, and iPad, plus clear nav. I have two dogs in obedience school, my mother only gives me a little allowance. I thought you were smart enough to know that all flight technology should be adjusted downward for the most fixed thinker in the group. How dare you suggest the ubiquitous smartphone and free software! You have devalued the resale of my JSW wiz wheel and made flying less safe for all pilots in the east as i am so ****ed off I cannot even see straight!
I dod not use eBay, so there is no way for me to purchase a smart phone. I only use Facebook during a contest, please please let's stop this non-sence.

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 5:23:25 AM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
Solution: (drumroll......) Get a smartphone (used on eBay). Tadaaaah!

This conversation is akin to saying I want to go bicycle riding...but don't want to buy a bike???? XCSoar software is (of course)free. A used android smartphone is $50-$250 bucks.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...alID=EB AY-US

"You can lead a horse to the water but can't make it drink..."

A fully functional, outstanding soaring flight computer for $125. Nice phone too if you can bear to bring yourself into the 21st century.

Complaining about flight computers, books and manuals with this kind of high performance and extremely low cost solution available is unnecessary. All you really get with a $6000 spend on the "fancy stuff" is a brighter in panel display, airspeed and temp integration (wind, higher accuracy) and stick controllers. You can always mount the smart phone on the panel with industrial Velcro or a accessory mount...

Now that is funny. Years ago before I left soaring and the news group ("I am back") there was a poster that went by the handle "Soarpoint" and he was a gifted writer who understood satire. Not sure what happened to him but he did write a few entertaining posts.

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:24:48 PM UTC-7, wrote:
To Sean and the others~
I wish you would quit pushing smart phones on us. I spent all my money on an ASW-28, and iPad, plus clear nav. I have two dogs in obedience school, my mother only gives me a little allowance. I thought you were smart enough to know that all flight technology should be adjusted downward for the most fixed thinker in the group. How dare you suggest the ubiquitous smartphone and free software! You have devalued the resale of my JSW wiz wheel and made flying less safe for all pilots in the east as i am so ****ed off I cannot even see straight!
I dod not use eBay, so there is no way for me to purchase a smart phone. I only use Facebook during a contest, please please let's stop this non-sence.

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 5:23:25 AM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
Solution: (drumroll......) Get a smartphone (used on eBay). Tadaaaah!

This conversation is akin to saying I want to go bicycle riding...but don't want to buy a bike???? XCSoar software is (of course)free. A used android smartphone is $50-$250 bucks.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...alID=EB AY-US

"You can lead a horse to the water but can't make it drink..."

A fully functional, outstanding soaring flight computer for $125. Nice phone too if you can bear to bring yourself into the 21st century.

Complaining about flight computers, books and manuals with this kind of high performance and extremely low cost solution available is unnecessary. All you really get with a $6000 spend on the "fancy stuff" is a brighter in panel display, airspeed and temp integration (wind, higher accuracy) and stick controllers. You can always mount the smart phone on the panel with industrial Velcro or a accessory mount...

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:35:04 -0700, Soartech wrote:


You have another choice as well: run XCSoar in simulator mode at home
while you work out what settings suit you best and see exactly what it
does in a variety of situations.


Martin, I have tried this but there is no way to simulate thermalling or
flying at altitude in the simulator that I can see. Kind of boring just
sitting on the ground. Maybe we need a wiki for the Simulator too.

Yes, just looked: at XCSoar. Version 6.7 has no Sim controls that I can
find but the option to run in Fly or Sim mode remains on the start up
screen. Then it turns out that half the menu function buttons can't be
clicked but require arrow keys and Enter to select them and you can't
tell until you try which is clickable and which must be keyboarded.

Sorry about giving you a bum steer.

All I can say is that I use LK8000 5.0a, primarily because I prefer its
display layout to that used by XCSoar, but of course ymmv. The LK8000 SIM
menu lets you set flying speed, altitude and turn rate so you can fly a
simulated task. All I can say is tat I'm very surprised that XCSoar 6.7
doesn't.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Use the mouse as you would use your finger.

On 7/16/2015 5:00 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:35:04 -0700, Soartech wrote:


You have another choice as well: run XCSoar in simulator mode at home
while you work out what settings suit you best and see exactly what it
does in a variety of situations.


Martin, I have tried this but there is no way to simulate thermalling or
flying at altitude in the simulator that I can see. Kind of boring just
sitting on the ground. Maybe we need a wiki for the Simulator too.
Yes, just looked: at XCSoar. Version 6.7 has no Sim controls that I can
find but the option to run in Fly or Sim mode remains on the start up
screen. Then it turns out that half the menu function buttons can't be
clicked but require arrow keys and Enter to select them and you can't
tell until you try which is clickable and which must be keyboarded.

Sorry about giving you a bum steer.

All I can say is that I use LK8000 5.0a, primarily because I prefer its
display layout to that used by XCSoar, but of course ymmv. The LK8000 SIM
menu lets you set flying speed, altitude and turn rate so you can fly a
simulated task. All I can say is tat I'm very surprised that XCSoar 6.7
doesn't.



--
Dan Marotta

One of our pilots runs Top Hat on a
Kindle. Looks great in Sunlight!

Vanilla XCSoar on a Nexus 7 I'm not so
sure. Google maps navigation display in
the car can be sunlight challenged.

The Oudie works better on my panel and
just barely squeezes between my 57 mm
airspeed and altimeter.