Reachable landing sites in iGlide

A little more accurate.

Do you connect it your butterfly/air glide vario ? Can you declare a task with the iglide and transfer to the logger in air glide ?
Dan
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 9:23:32 PM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 4:45:15 PM UTC-8, Casey wrote:
The iPhone is nothing like any other phone that I have seen in direct sun light. The mini pad 4 was not as bright but I only tried once. I wanted a larger screen due to on the verg of having to wear glasses. I think I may try an extra extension to bring the iPhone closer to me. I also was thinking about making a sun screen for the mini pad but have not yet. I'm also using bad elf with my iPhone and I had a connect problem with the mini so that is another reason I have not pursued more. But I plan too.

iPhone use to not be sun light readable and I amagine they will continue to improve faster than any other off the shelf glider display.

Why the Bad Elf with the iPhone? Both my 5s and my 6 Plus work fine from the built in GPS. In fact the 6 Plus, with its built in barometrics, makes quite a decent stand alone glide computer. Better still if you connect it up to your variometer, but very good all by itself.

I do not have a butterfly vario at this time but plan to get one for next glider.

I was asking jfitch, sorry..
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 9:46:15 PM UTC-5, Casey wrote:
I do not have a butterfly vario at this time but plan to get one for next glider.

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:32:40 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Do you connect it your butterfly/air glide vario ? Can you declare a task with the iglide and transfer to the logger in air glide ?
Dan
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 9:23:32 PM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 4:45:15 PM UTC-8, Casey wrote:
The iPhone is nothing like any other phone that I have seen in direct sun light. The mini pad 4 was not as bright but I only tried once. I wanted a larger screen due to on the verg of having to wear glasses. I think I may try an extra extension to bring the iPhone closer to me. I also was thinking about making a sun screen for the mini pad but have not yet. I'm also using bad elf with my iPhone and I had a connect problem with the mini so that is another reason I have not pursued more. But I plan too.

iPhone use to not be sun light readable and I amagine they will continue to improve faster than any other off the shelf glider display.

Why the Bad Elf with the iPhone? Both my 5s and my 6 Plus work fine from the built in GPS. In fact the 6 Plus, with its built in barometrics, makes quite a decent stand alone glide computer. Better still if you connect it up to your variometer, but very good all by itself.

I do have it connected to an Air Vario. I think you can declare a task to the logger, but have never really investigated that. John Carlyle is the guy to ask. I don't believe you can declare a task to the PowerFlarm logger, and I know you cannot upload PowerFlarm flight logs through the Air Vario (it can apparently upload Flarm logs). When connected to the Air Vario, the thermal assistant in iGlide gets much more interesting due to the use of instantaneous wind.

Looking at the HDOP of the iPhone 6 Plus, it seems to think it is pretty accurate. More so than the PowerFlarm gps. But less so than the Air Vario gps.. Of the 5 gps units in my glider, it makes claims to the greatest accuracy..

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:

When connected to the Air Vario, the thermal assistant in iGlide gets much more interesting due to the use of instantaneous wind.


Jon, I'm interested in that point of interest!
Do the reachable landing points in iGlide keep changing with the fast wind?
Won't mention what I'm thinking of connecting the Air-Glide to, not part of this thread.
Jim

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 8:38:56 AM UTC-8, JS wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:

When connected to the Air Vario, the thermal assistant in iGlide gets much more interesting due to the use of instantaneous wind.


Jon, I'm interested in that point of interest!
Do the reachable landing points in iGlide keep changing with the fast wind?
Won't mention what I'm thinking of connecting the Air-Glide to, not part of this thread.
Jim

Yes, the landing points change based on wind. The wind is embedded in the LX1600 serial stream that iGlide and Air seem to use, once per second. The Air Vario calculates the true wind about 20 times a second. There are some averaging constants and it is not completely clear to me what applies to the landing site arrivals. It changes pretty quickly, but not instantly so I *think* it is using the time averaged wind (if I recall the default is 20 seconds). Wind can make quite a large difference in landing site reachability or arrival altitude as you know. In iGlide you can also fix the wind for calculation, if that is appropriate.

The thermal assistant shows an instantaneous wind vector in each lift dot, each second (not averaged). This adds quite a lot of information to the thermal assistant, as the wind is quite dynamic in and around thermals, generally pointing towards the center of the thermal or greatly deflected towards the center of the thermal.

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 10:44:43 AM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 8:38:56 AM UTC-8, JS wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:

When connected to the Air Vario, the thermal assistant in iGlide gets much more interesting due to the use of instantaneous wind.


Jon, I'm interested in that point of interest!
Do the reachable landing points in iGlide keep changing with the fast wind?
Won't mention what I'm thinking of connecting the Air-Glide to, not part of this thread.
Jim

Yes, the landing points change based on wind. The wind is embedded in the LX1600 serial stream that iGlide and Air seem to use, once per second. The Air Vario calculates the true wind about 20 times a second. There are some averaging constants and it is not completely clear to me what applies to the landing site arrivals. It changes pretty quickly, but not instantly so I *think* it is using the time averaged wind (if I recall the default is 20 seconds). Wind can make quite a large difference in landing site reachability or arrival altitude as you know. In iGlide you can also fix the wind for calculation, if that is appropriate.

The thermal assistant shows an instantaneous wind vector in each lift dot, each second (not averaged). This adds quite a lot of information to the thermal assistant, as the wind is quite dynamic in and around thermals, generally pointing towards the center of the thermal or greatly deflected towards the center of the thermal.

Thanks.
Nice to know the Air vario output has some averaging, as the instant wind would be pretty useless in the reachable landing point display.
Probably does that with the internal "Nearest" list, but haven't looked at that page for any period of time.
Jim

Can you use the iPhone 6 as a screen only without getting a wireless line ?
Dan
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 1:02:45 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 7:49:01 PM UTC-8, JS wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 5:31:41 PM UTC-8, Casey wrote:
I believe the one time I had to reinstall data files was due to an iOS update. And I belive the clearing of data from parameters and map data is from storage availability. I have too many apps and photos and sometimes forget about adding more photos.

It might sound completely crazy, but how about using a dedicated device in the glider?
Jim

I do. An iPhone 6 Plus.

I think so but have not tried that. I would think an external GPS would be required.