Off topic, Gore and the internet (don't read if not interested)

Robert Bonomi wrote:
In article .com,

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That 'consensus of users' is meaningful *ONLY* because there is a consensus
of providers to listen to the opinions of the users when expressed that way..

Nothing _requires_ that they do so.


Good point.

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

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They can't. They can only be required to restrict their own
customers and they can only be cut off from access to usenet
if they fail to do so.

Bull****. Mine will alllow m to post anything I want here, including
binaries and "the Cabal" won't touch them for it.

Reread what Todd said. The fact of what your ISP will likely do in no
way contradicts his statement. He is talking about what CAN happen in
theory, and you are talking about what most likely WILL happen in
practice.

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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
(Robert Bonomi)
:

Yup. *LOTS* of places drop _everything_ from alt.net on the floor for
that precise reason.

[[.. munch ..]]

Alt.net, corporately, doesn't think that that "respect for other's
property" is important.

Actually, they do.


Alt.net users have rather spotty propogation of their postings as a
result.

No, they don't. I can post to any newsgroup form this or any of the other
providers i use.

You know not that of which you speak.

Yes, you can post anything from alt.net.

No, anything you post _from_ alt.net does not get "everywhere".

Several major news-servers do drop *everything* originating from alt.net on
the floor. For users on those systems, "alt.net" simply does not exist.

alexy
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

T o d d P a t t i s t

They can't. They can only be required to restrict their own
customers and they can only be cut off from access to usenet
if they fail to do so.

Bull****. Mine will alllow m to post anything I want here, including
binaries and "the Cabal" won't touch them for it.

Reread what Todd said. The fact of what your ISP will likely do in no
way contradicts his statement. He is talking about what CAN happen in
theory, and you are talking about what most likely WILL happen in
practice.

No, I'm talking about what can happen in theory. Believe me, it's been
tried.

Try looking up my handle and "New Zealand Herald", for instance. After this
was published, the NZ gov't actually tried to get Altopia to give me up.
Result? I still have that selfsame account and a half dozen others.

Todd is talking out of his ass.


Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Yes, obviously. And I adhere to that religiously. Even to the point of
feeling slightly guilty about continuing this thread.

Then my point has been made.

Well, only of you pare it down to my good sense and morals.


But as to the rest, you're full of ****.


Bertie

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(Robert Bonomi)
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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
(Robert Bonomi)
:

Yup. *LOTS* of places drop _everything_ from alt.net on the floor
for that precise reason.

[[.. munch ..]]

Alt.net, corporately, doesn't think that that "respect for other's
property" is important.

Actually, they do.


Alt.net users have rather spotty propogation of their postings as a
result.

No, they don't. I can post to any newsgroup form this or any of the
other providers i use.

You know not that of which you speak.

Yes, you can post anything from alt.net.

No, anything you post _from_ alt.net does not get "everywhere".




Several major news-servers do drop *everything* originating from
alt.net on the floor. For users on those systems, "alt.net" simply
does not exist.

Bwawhhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahh!





Bertie

T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Yes, obviously. And I adhere to that religiously. Even to the point of
feeling slightly guilty about continuing this thread.


Then my point has been made.

But evidently not to yourself, as you continue your off-topic
metadiscussion here. You didn't even have the courtesy to revise the
subject to reflect your hijack of the thread to netkopping.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

alexy
m:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

T o d d P a t t i s t

They can't. They can only be required to restrict their own
customers and they can only be cut off from access to usenet
if they fail to do so.

Bull****. Mine will alllow m to post anything I want here, including
binaries and "the Cabal" won't touch them for it.

Reread what Todd said. The fact of what your ISP will likely do in no
way contradicts his statement. He is talking about what CAN happen in
theory, and you are talking about what most likely WILL happen in
practice.

No, I'm talking about what can happen in theory. Believe me, it's been
tried.

Try looking up my handle and "New Zealand Herald", for instance.
Wow. Sounds like a real class act. I'm impressed.

After this
was published, the NZ gov't actually tried to get Altopia to give me up.
Result? I still have that selfsame account and a half dozen others.
Oh, I see. Your ISP did not give you up, so in theory, it can't
happen. I must have missed that day in logic class!

Todd is talking out of his ass.
Or at least wasting bandwidth, since I seriously doubt that his
comments will change anyone's posting behavior.


Bertie

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T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:
Rich Ahrens wrote:

But evidently not to yourself, as you continue your off-topic
metadiscussion here.

It's not off-topic. Discussion of the group and its rules
is on-topic. Gore/politics are OT.

Says you. There are groups where such metadiscussion is specifically
off-topic by charter or moderation requires a META: in the subject line
of such discussion. Show me where in the charter of RAH it says that
playing netkopp is on topic.

You didn't even have the courtesy to revise the
subject to reflect your hijack of the thread to netkopping.

The subject line states "Off topic" and I'm discussing that
part of the subject line.

So what? It also says "read", so by your argument I could lead this off
into the weeds on a discussion of literacy and the subject line would
still be accurate. Nonsense. The subject line is clear to any reasonable
reader as focusing on Gore and the internet. You've hijacked it into a
netkopping thicket.

alexy
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

alexy
om:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

T o d d P a t t i s t

They can't. They can only be required to restrict their own
customers and they can only be cut off from access to usenet
if they fail to do so.

Bull****. Mine will alllow m to post anything I want here, including
binaries and "the Cabal" won't touch them for it.

Reread what Todd said. The fact of what your ISP will likely do in no
way contradicts his statement. He is talking about what CAN happen in
theory, and you are talking about what most likely WILL happen in
practice.

No, I'm talking about what can happen in theory. Believe me, it's been
tried.

Try looking up my handle and "New Zealand Herald", for instance.
Wow. Sounds like a real class act. I'm impressed.

Thenkew


After this
was published, the NZ gov't actually tried to get Altopia to give me up.
Result? I still have that selfsame account and a half dozen others.
Oh, I see. Your ISP did not give you up, so in theory, it can't
happen. I must have missed that day in logic class!

Obviously you missed the reading class as well. Where, exactly, di I say it
couldn't happen?

Besides, that wasn't the point. It didn't happen, Altopia wasn't forced by
anyone to do so and altopia is not any more restricted in propogation that
AOL is.

Not even by NZ servers.



Todd is talking out of his ass.
Or at least wasting bandwidth, since I seriously doubt that his
comments will change anyone's posting behavior.


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