Moving Map: North-Up vs. Track-Up

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0200, "Kai Glaesner"
wrote:

Hello,

ran into a discussion with a pilot-friend-of-mine on sunday about how to set
up our GNS430 on a short IFR Trip.

I prefer a North-Up mode, because it makes it easier for me to corelate
what's on the screen with the paper-charts I have on my kneeboard.

He wanted it to be in either Track-Up or (me complaining about a
too-frequent need for redraw) Desired-Track-Up mode. Reason was he wanted
the screen helping him to build a "mental-picture" about what's ahead and
around.

No consens was found so I would like to hear from you: are your a "North-Up"
or a "Track-Up" sort of pilot (explanation why you are would help)?

I use track up. I find it easier to view the map in relation to what
I see out the window (and was trained to move the chart on my lap to
orient the same way). I find it also makes TIS target acquisition
faster because I can look at the map for the dot, then turn my head in
that direction - no re-orienting the map in my head and then figuring
out where they are then looking.

Track up.
relative position on screen is relative position around airplane.
I rotate maps for track up. I can read upside down I have a hard time
transposing shapes on the ground to the paper when they are not in the
same orientation.
Michelle

Kai Glaesner wrote:

Hello,

ran into a discussion with a pilot-friend-of-mine on sunday about how to set
up our GNS430 on a short IFR Trip.

I prefer a North-Up mode, because it makes it easier for me to corelate
what's on the screen with the paper-charts I have on my kneeboard.

He wanted it to be in either Track-Up or (me complaining about a
too-frequent need for redraw) Desired-Track-Up mode. Reason was he wanted
the screen helping him to build a "mental-picture" about what's ahead and
around.

No consens was found so I would like to hear from you: are your a "North-Up"
or a "Track-Up" sort of pilot (explanation why you are would help)?

Best Regards

Kai

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Kai Glaesner wrote:
Hello,

ran into a discussion with a pilot-friend-of-mine on sunday about how to set
up our GNS430 on a short IFR Trip.

I prefer a North-Up mode, because it makes it easier for me to corelate
what's on the screen with the paper-charts I have on my kneeboard.

Just to be perverse, I have my MX20 set up right now in North-Up mode
while the GNS480 spends most of it's time in the "arc-HSI" track up mode.

ShawnD2112 wrote:
This argument is almost as insolvable as the "Newton or Bernoulli" or "high
vs low wing" ones. This one basically comes down to how much testosterone
you got in the womb. Male preference is for north-up while female
preference is for track-up, generally (all who are going to add how they are
an exception can save the typing -

Oddly enough, I had everything set in Track up in the Navion and Margy
made me switch the MX20 to Norht Up.

Peter R. wrote:
"Jimmy B." wrote:


All the really cool pilots are north-up.


And all the really *hot* pilots are track-up.

All the pilots who actually get where they intended to go use whatever the hell
is easiest for them

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0200, "Kai Glaesner"
wrote:

Hello,

ran into a discussion with a pilot-friend-of-mine on sunday about how to set
up our GNS430 on a short IFR Trip.

I prefer a North-Up mode, because it makes it easier for me to corelate
what's on the screen with the paper-charts I have on my kneeboard.

He wanted it to be in either Track-Up or (me complaining about a
too-frequent need for redraw) Desired-Track-Up mode. Reason was he wanted
the screen helping him to build a "mental-picture" about what's ahead and
around.

No consens was found so I would like to hear from you: are your a "North-Up"
or a "Track-Up" sort of pilot (explanation why you are would help)?


To me? Makes no difference. I've used both modes.
Although I guess I do have a slight preference to track up.
OTOH I have no problem reorienting between the charts and the moving
map.

I get the basic information from the map but usually do most on the
GPS.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Best Regards

Kai

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Kai Glaesner wrote:

Reason was he wanted
the screen helping him to build a "mental-picture" about what's ahead
and
around.

Track up.

I have both NEXRAD (actually WSI's NOWRAD) and traffic displayed on an
MX20. Combine these two with projected GPS course line and predicted
actual track while flying an IFR approach and IME track up provides a much
more intuitive situational picture.

Track up....Sandel EHSI.

"Kai Glaesner" wrote in message
m...
[...]
No consens was found so I would like to hear from you: are your a
"North-Up"
or a "Track-Up" sort of pilot (explanation why you are would help)?

Geez. Why don't you just ask "high-wing or low-wing" and get it over with.

Peter R. wrote:

ShawnD2112 wrote:


Male preference is for north-up while female
preference is for track-up, generally (all who are going to add how they are
an exception can save the typing - this is a gross generalization).


Gross generalization or not, where did you get this theory? I suppose you
don't have an Internet reference to educate those of us equipped with an
apparent female preference, eh?


from the book mentioned:

*****************
In 1998, John and Ashley Sims created a two-way map of England. It had a
standard view for people travelling north and an upside-down view for
people travelling south. When men heard about it, they tended to laugh,
thinking it was a joke. Women said: "What a great idea!"

A British newspaper offered 100 maps free. It received requests from
15,000 women - and a handful of men. Yes, we're different all right.
*****************

found he

http://www.associateprograms.com/sea...etter032.shtml

I will not be held responsible for the scientific value and correctness
of the statement :-)

Personally, I use north-up on my car navigation most of the time (I'm
not a pilot). But when approaching junctions, the system switches to
track-up (and zooms in) automatically, and I find that very useful.

To me it seems that for the "big picture" north-up is more helpful,
while for locating yourself in the close surroundings, track-up might
even make it easier for men :-)

regards,
Friedrich

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:17:05 GMT, Jose
wrote:

But one can get used to
either way.

Yes, I think so. My sectional is always north up, and it doesn't
bother me in the slightest when I fly south. But my GPS is track-up,
because that's the way it came from the factory. It seems perfectly
natural to me.

Of course, in the Cub I have never noticed much sudden redrawing

I even think there may be an advantage to having the sectional
oriented one way and the Garmin another way. It reminds me that the
sectional is real, and that the Garmin might be in error, the way it
was when it moved Hampton NH airport to the Andes. I have not fully
recovered from that particular betrayal.



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