OSH '05 Comments

Jim N. wrote:

Why is it that in American society we need the quick fix- gastroplasty and
other fat reducing surgery or diet pills rather than watching what we eat
and increasing our exercise? Why are our children the fattest in the world?

Because some decades back American health "authorities" came up with the idea of
the "food triangle", and American companies started manufacturing stuff based on
that model. When I was a kid, Italians were the heaviest people in the western
world, and it was presented as fact that this was because their diet was heavy
on starch and bread. What did people expect would happen when we adopted the
same model?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message ...
Without taking sides on the question of whether all the scooter drivers
really needed scooters, I'll observe that I felt threatened at times by
the scooters.

Perhaps there should be a definition between the golf carts and the reduced
mobility vehicles. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel threatened by
the electric three-wheelers used by handicapped folks, The golf carts are
another story and are well-matched by the racing Gators.

We were making our way back to the Homebuilt Hooch on Tuesday night after an
evening with friends at Camp Scholler. The beer and brats were delicious and
it was approaching eight o'clock. We learned then that the trams stop
running at ten minutes to eight and head for their corral after a long day's
stint.

It was a god half-mile walk from Camp Scholler at the mid-south location to
the Homebuilder's Hooch in the North. My 82 year-old navigator and I set out
to walk it, as nothing else was available. He was doing better than I,
because my ten year old back surgery has ran its course. Not a problem,
though. I was willing to pay the price. You folks with back problems know
what I mean. I did get really ****ed off at the 20 something girl who ran
her empty four-seat golf cart through the pedestrians calling out "SORREE"
at the top of her lungs.

The painful walk paid off when we reached AeroShell Square. The sun was
dropping below the horizon in the west and the remaining light played on a
bank of clouds above the field. I stared at the wonder of SpaceShip One,
facing me across the square. All my earthly troubles were forgotten as I
gazed upon the reality of those many hours spent reading Robert Heinlein, E.
E. Smith, Ray Bradbury, and a thousand other word weavers.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/elw...ceship_one.jpg

Thank you, Burt. Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Richard. Thanks to each and
every one of the dreamers and workers who made possible the dreams of all of
us.

I hiked the rest of the way with a lightened load.

For those of you who have nothing better to do than to scoff at those with
pain - Bill the Cat has an appropriate salutation. Phhhwwwwttttt!

Rich S.

In article bxXGe.5979$r12.5870@trndny04,
George Patterson wrote:

Jim N. wrote:

Why is it that in American society we need the quick fix- gastroplasty and
other fat reducing surgery or diet pills rather than watching what we eat
and increasing our exercise? Why are our children the fattest in the world?

Because some decades back American health "authorities" came up with the idea
of
the "food triangle", and American companies started manufacturing stuff based
on
that model. When I was a kid, Italians were the heaviest people in the
western
world, and it was presented as fact that this was because their diet was
heavy
on starch and bread. What did people expect would happen when we adopted the
same model?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.


Actually, it's called the "food pyramid," and it was (and continues to
be) created out of thin air by the DAIRY INDUSTRY in order to hoodwink
the American people (not a very difficult thing to do) into believing
that milk and milk products must constitute a major and necessary
component of our daily diet. The dairy industry is as crooked as any,
and lines the pockets of politicians from the president on down. There's
no one on any government nutrition panel that isn't nursing on the dairy
industry in a big way, and spitting up the result.

In a previous article, Larry Dighera said:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in ::
I have chronic debilitating knee pain.

Have you considered knee replacement surgery?

I've considered every treatment regime under the sun, and they don't work
or wouldn't work. It's all soft tissue damage, so knee replacement
wouldn't work. Neither does accupunture, physio therapy, strengthening my
quads, glucosomine+chondritin, synvisc, cortisone, anti-inflammatories,
steroids, arthroscopic surgery, massage therapy, electrophoresis,
ultrasound, entophorisis(?), and a bunch of other treatments.

No, at this point, I'm pretty resigned to the fact that I'm going to be in
pain for the rest of my life, and when the pain gets too great, I'm going
to end it.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
You can be jailed for lying about being good in bed.
-- Lionel, paraphrasing the Criminal Code of Canada, 159(3)(b)(i)

Smitty Two wrote:

In article bxXGe.5979$r12.5870@trndny04,
George Patterson wrote:


Jim N. wrote:

Why is it that in American society we need the quick fix- gastroplasty and
other fat reducing surgery or diet pills rather than watching what we eat
and increasing our exercise? Why are our children the fattest in the world?

Because some decades back American health "authorities" came up with the idea
of
the "food triangle", and American companies started manufacturing stuff based
on
that model. When I was a kid, Italians were the heaviest people in the
western
world, and it was presented as fact that this was because their diet was
heavy
on starch and bread. What did people expect would happen when we adopted the
same model?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.



Actually, it's called the "food pyramid," and it was (and continues to
be) created out of thin air by the DAIRY INDUSTRY in order to hoodwink
the American people (not a very difficult thing to do) into believing
that milk and milk products must constitute a major and necessary
component of our daily diet. The dairy industry is as crooked as any,
and lines the pockets of politicians from the president on down. There's
no one on any government nutrition panel that isn't nursing on the dairy
industry in a big way, and spitting up the result.

Oh come on. This is hilarious. The dairy industry makes you eat too
much and eat the wrong stuff? What about the soda industry whose
products have pretty much no redeeming value, unlike dairy who products
do have nutritional value. How about the fast food industry?

I'm curious though, what did the dairy industry do to you to raise your ire?

Matt

Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, Larry Dighera said:

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in ::

I have chronic debilitating knee pain.

Have you considered knee replacement surgery?


I've considered every treatment regime under the sun, and they don't work
or wouldn't work. It's all soft tissue damage, so knee replacement
wouldn't work. Neither does accupunture, physio therapy, strengthening my
quads, glucosomine+chondritin, synvisc, cortisone, anti-inflammatories,
steroids, arthroscopic surgery, massage therapy, electrophoresis,
ultrasound, entophorisis(?), and a bunch of other treatments.

You must have missed something! :-)


No, at this point, I'm pretty resigned to the fact that I'm going to be in
pain for the rest of my life, and when the pain gets too great, I'm going
to end it.

I'm pretty much the same with my back. I guess the good thing is that
I've seemed to accomodate it better over time and often have to think
about it to notice the pain. The good thing is, my soft tissue damage
is to the disk and they are now in clinical trials with artificial
disks. If these work, I may consider them in another 10-15 years. I
don't want to lose mobility as with disk fusion and would rather deal
with the pain. However, the artifical disks look like they give you
your cake and let you eat it too ... although it is way too early to
know that with certainty.


Matt

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:12:47 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote in ::

It's all soft tissue damage, so knee replacement wouldn't work.

In his youth, a good friend of mine suffered had a sport related
tendon injury in his knee. Decades later surgeons attempted to graft
cadaver tissue, but it failed, so they just put in a new mechanical
joint. Recovery was painful, but now he's playing golf again. Just a
data point.

I'm not quite clear as to what constitutes "soft tissue damage", but it
doesn't sound right to me.

My training is as an orthopaedic surgeon, have also done a fellowship in
joint replacement, and currently work and teach in a major academic center.
There are almost always methods for helping people alleviate their pain and
improving their function. Not everything works for every situation.

You might consider getting an opinion from an orthopaedic surgeon (again, if
you already have done so). Good luck.

In a previous article, "Jim N." said:
You might consider getting an opinion from an orthopaedic surgeon (again, if
you already have done so). Good luck.

They're the ones who stuck an arthroscope in, said "nope, I don't see any
damage here", and said they couldn't do any more.

Whatever is wrong with my knees doesn't show up on an MRI or X-ray or
MRI tracking study or even on an arthroscope. It just hurts.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Will debug C homework for lap dances.
-- Mike Looney

First, at least for me, I never arthroscope someone's knee to "take a look".
The literature is pretty clear that operations performed without a clear
diagnosis are associated with a poor outcome.

Again, you might want to see another orthopedic surgeon and see whether the
pain indeed comes from your knee or possibly another source, such as your
back or hip. There are also other things like a neuroma or reflex
sympathetic dystrophy that can cause knee pain that an MRI or scope wouldn't
show. You can Google on these for more info.

These are just some ideas, of course, not specific recommendations. In my
experience it is rare for an individual to present with severe pain in the
absence of a discreet cause.

Back to the original thread, yesterday I humped around OSH with a big heavy
camera and a bunch of lenses- didn't see too many scooters. I was surprised
to see so many people leaving after the warbirds. Although the old planes
are interesting to watch, seeing them drone around doing chandelles gets
boring pretty quickly, even with the pyrotechnics.

On the other hand, seeing the skill of the top acro pilots is a different
story. Jim LeRoy did an especially excellent show- great presentation,
precise, and continuous action. Most people don't know how physically
difficult it is to do high level acro, let alone when it's unforgivingly
close to the ground. The flying skills that these pilots demonstrate and the
differences in their routines is much more appealing (to me) than watching
fly-bys.

Of course, that's why the Airventure is so appealing- it offers something
for every aviation enthusiast.