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Old September 28th 05, 01:54 PM
James Robinson
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Sylvain wrote:

ThomasH wrote:

The making of an Airbus is literally like the caricature about
the bureaucracy in the "United Europe." It is a maze of parts and
subcomponent tourism (Super Goopies and Belugas are being used.)
For example wings for the A320 are being made in Bremen, Germany.
Many wing components come from Britain, after which they ship the
wings to Toulouse, France in a Goopy. etc etc.


and who makes the nose gear specifically? :-)


Nessier-Dowty, who are also supplying the gear for the Boeing 787. The nose
gear for the A320 is manufactured in their plant in Bidos, France.
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Old September 28th 05, 11:52 AM
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:40:55 -0700, ThomasH wrote:

It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is French. :-)


It is, for all practical purposes. There would be no Airbus without
France; it's located in Toulouse; and France is the largest
stakeholder.


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Old September 28th 05, 01:44 PM
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Cub Driver wrote:

ThomasH wrote:

It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is French.
:-)


It is, for all practical purposes. There would be no Airbus without
France; it's located in Toulouse; and France is the largest
stakeholder.


Not true. The Toulouse plant may be where final assembly is done, and
where the operating headquarters of Airbus is located, but there are a
number of other manufacturing plants, and France is not the largest
stakeholder. The company is 20% owned by British Aerospace, with the
remaining 80% owned by EADS.

According to the following site, the ownership or EADS is:

http://www.reports.eads.net/2004/ar_...c_b3_3_3_0.php

- 30.2% Daimler Chrysler
- 15.1% Government of France
- 15.1% Lagardère (A French corporation)
- 5.5% Government of Spain
- 33.2% Publicly held shares

Therefore, the French government only owns about 12% of airbus, and is
not the largest shareholder.
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Old September 28th 05, 07:46 PM
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James Robinson wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:


ThomasH wrote:


It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is French.
:-)


It is, for all practical purposes. There would be no Airbus without
France; it's located in Toulouse; and France is the largest
stakeholder.



Not true. The Toulouse plant may be where final assembly is done, and
where the operating headquarters of Airbus is located, but there are a
number of other manufacturing plants, and France is not the largest
stakeholder. The company is 20% owned by British Aerospace, with the
remaining 80% owned by EADS.

According to the following site, the ownership or EADS is:

http://www.reports.eads.net/2004/ar_...c_b3_3_3_0.php

- 30.2% Daimler Chrysler
- 15.1% Government of France
- 15.1% Lagardère (A French corporation)
- 5.5% Government of Spain
- 33.2% Publicly held shares

Therefore, the French government only owns about 12% of airbus, and is
not the largest shareholder.


Why should that interest anyone?

What those figures do show is that French ownership is in the range
24.16 to 50.72 %, depending on what portion of the "Publicly held
shares" are in French hands.

Even at the minimum limit of 24 %, French participation is
still bigger than that of any other country, as far as one
can tell from those numbers.

So which country has a larger stake than France according to you ?

CV
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Old September 28th 05, 09:00 PM
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CV wrote:

- 30.2% Daimler Chrysler
- 15.1% Government of France
- 15.1% Lagardère (A French corporation)
- 5.5% Government of Spain
- 33.2% Publicly held shares


So which country has a larger stake than France according to you ?


What percentage of Daimler Chrisler is USA owned? ;-)

Why should that interest anyone?


Exactly.

Stefan
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Old September 28th 05, 11:50 PM
James Robinson
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CV wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:

ThomasH wrote:

It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is
French.

It is, for all practical purposes. There would be no Airbus without
France; it's located in Toulouse; and France is the largest
stakeholder.


Not true. The Toulouse plant may be where final assembly is done,
and where the operating headquarters of Airbus is located, but there
are a number of other manufacturing plants, and France is not the
largest stakeholder. The company is 20% owned by British Aerospace,
with the remaining 80% owned by EADS.

According to the following site, the ownership or EADS is:

http://www.reports.eads.net/2004/ar_...c_b3_3_3_0.php

- 30.2% Daimler Chrysler
- 15.1% Government of France
- 15.1% Lagardère (A French corporation)
- 5.5% Government of Spain
- 33.2% Publicly held shares

Therefore, the French government only owns about 12% of airbus, and
is not the largest shareholder.


Why should that interest anyone?


Someone made an incorrect statement, I was simply correcting it.

What those figures do show is that French ownership is in the range
24.16 to 50.72%, depending on what portion of the "Publicly held
shares" are in French hands.

Even at the minimum limit of 24%, French participation is
still bigger than that of any other country, as far as one
can tell from those numbers.

So which country has a larger stake than France according to you ?


No country, but there are larger stakeholders. The poster had suggested
that France, as in the country, was the largest stakeholder (he didn't
say "the French" or "French shareholders") Daimler Chrysler is the
largest stakeholder, and British Aerospace is also larger than the
French Government.
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Old September 29th 05, 03:07 PM
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On 2005-09-28, CV wrote:
Even at the minimum limit of 24 %, French participation is
still bigger than that of any other country, as far as one
can tell from those numbers.


Since when was Daimler-Chrysler a French company?

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Old September 29th 05, 06:54 PM
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It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is French. :-)

I guess I'm just following the subsidies.

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Old September 28th 05, 08:48 AM
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Does anyone have any insight into why the A320 isn't able to dump fuel.
What factors would go into such a design compromise?


After listening to you in this thread, I'll bet you're one of those people
who thinks its a good idea for ATC to be able to take over flying an
airplane in an emergency.


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Old September 28th 05, 12:35 PM
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Because they are French.

 




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