Trial flying lesson - update 1

("Jimmy B." wrote)
You forgot about having to bundle up for the winter weather.

We just got the Mother-in-law SNOW report on the phone.

I-94 in North Dakota is closed from Bismarck (Capital) to the Montana
border. Minot ND area is reporting 14 inches of snow today - schools,
businesses, Post Office closed. Heavy 'breaking branches' snow.

This storm will miss Minnesota (and Iowa) but winter won't. We were in the
80's for the past few days, now were heading for the 30's.


Montblack
#%^* the fall colors, Hawaii anyone?

"Jay Beckman" wrote

That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

No, it was a C-150 on nitro-methane! g
--
Jim in NC

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"Jimmy B." wrote in
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Jay Honeck wrote:
In summary, yes I loved it, yes I think its addictive, and I want to
do it again.... but might have to either wait a while, or do it
slowly due to finances :-(


Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it. There is, quite simply, nothing
else like flying.

Okay, here's your plan:

1. Come to the U.S. next summer.
2. Stay at our inn for two months. (We'll give you a great rate...)
3. Take your flight lessons at our airport. We have two flight
schools on the field.
4. Save yourself a bundle of money, and Mary and I will show you the
Midwest...

Gee, that will take 10 minutes! grin



"We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
Brian Shul.

That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

Jay B



Yes. Fascinating book. By chance, I went to the 1998 Stockton Air
Show and Brian Shul was there, autographing copies of his book. It is very
enjoyable reading! It does not bog down with technical details but really
relays the challenges and joy in flying the "sled". The quote about
Nebraska is one that you don't forget.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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"Morgans" wrote in
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"Jay Beckman" wrote

That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

No, it was a C-150 on nitro-methane! g

Must have been a C-150 turbo to level off above FL 750! vbg

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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The four-seat Piper is probably 160 hp, while the two-seat Cessna is 105 hp.
The bigger plane will feel heavier and more stable. With two people aboard
it will climb more quickly. It will feel like moving from an old Mini to a
new four-door Toyota . . .

There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for sightseeing
and taking pix. You can probably flip the windows open a bit for this
purpose. It's easy to climb in and out of the plane through big doors on
either side, and the wing provides shade on hot days, a little shelter on
wet ones. When you fly the landing pattern, you lose sight of the runway for
about 20 seconds in each turn because the wing blocks the view, which can be
disconcerting until you're used to it. The Piper, with its low wing,
requires you clamber up to enter, and it has a single door on the right, so
it's a bit more awkward to load. Visibility in the pattern is grand -- you
can eyeball the runway all the way through your turns. You can't look
straight down through the wing; you can't see the landing gear. And you can
fuel the plane without having to climb up to the wing. On the other hand,
pre-flight with the low wing means I have to roll around on the tarmac to
drain fuel and inspect the gear.

Which do you prefer? Given equal power and seating, it just depends on how
you use the airplane. I trained in Cessnas, own a Piper. For purely
practical purposes, I prefer the high wing -- If I were still flying search
and rescue, if I were flying big cargo and elderly passengers, or operating
off a grass strip, I'd own a Cessna. But I do love the Piper and the low
wing feels a bit more sporting.

Seth




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Hi all

Seth Masia wrote:
Check it out: http://www.ukft.com/

Now that does look interesting..... But I'm not going to be flitting
off to do anything in a hurry :-)

Have never been to the Mid West, but your not selling it very well ;-)
We have a place called Boston in Lincs over here, its a bit like that,
really really flat and cabbages for as far as the eye can see...!

Now a quick question, is there much difference in flying a piper 4
seat, rather than a Cessna 2 seat?

I have a willing soul who would love to come up for a ride, and it
would be a good excuse to have another lesson, but I wouldn't want to
try learning in two very different planes at once, that would just be
confusing.

Many thanks

Seth Masia wrote:

There's also a difference in visibility. The Cessna, because of the high
wing, gives you an unrestricted view downward, so it's great for sightseeing
and taking pix.

The window has a retaining strap near the bottom. Disconnect that strap, and the
window will open fully in flight. Once opened, air pressure keeps it up against
the bottom of the wing. The plane then has a tendency to yaw to the right,
requiring lots of left rudder to keep straight. The pitch also changes, but I
don't recall which way I had to trim.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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That was about the SR-71 wasn't it?

Jay B



Yes. Fascinating book. By chance, I went to the 1998 Stockton Air
Show and Brian Shul was there, autographing copies of his book. It is
very
enjoyable reading! It does not bog down with technical details but really
relays the challenges and joy in flying the "sled". The quote about
Nebraska is one that you don't forget.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

The number that blows my mind was the (IIRC) 01:04:58 it took them to cross
the US from west to east on it's "retirement" run.

Now that's "sailin' with the mail."

Jay B

Yes. The Piper is heavier and low wing. That makes it less likely to bounce
around when the air is a bit unstable. It takes longer to get it off the ground.
It has a tendency to "float" a little when landing. It's a bit heavier on the
controls. It's faster.

Cheers :-)

"We did Nebraska in 7 1/2 minutes today. I think that's the best way
to do Nebraska." A quote from a sled pilot in the book Sled Driver by
Brian Shul.

Did you actually *buy* that book?

Shul was selling it at the Reno Air Races last year. I 'bout fell down when
he told me he wanted $400+ PER COPY!

I, of course, instantly abandoned the notion of putting one on display in
our "Blackbird Suite"...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

This storm will miss Minnesota (and Iowa) but winter won't. We were in the
80's for the past few days, now were heading for the 30's.

Yesterday at this time we were at the hangar, wearing shorts, drinking a
cold one. The temperature was 86 degrees, and it was humid like Florida.

Today, the temperature is 45 degrees, we're wearing light coats, and spent
the afternoon closing the pool up for the year.

If you don't like the weather here, just wait a few hours!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"