Any other hotels near or on airports?

On 10 Oct 2005 17:32:12 -0700, wrote in
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That place is (IMHO) a prime candidate for a radical upgrade - kind of
run down, but in a really prime location (walking distance to the beach
and University).

It sounds like just what Mr. Honeck asked for, but it's probably too
far away from the corn belt to be seriously considered.

Other than the occasional rainstorm, Santa Barbara has generally good
weather in the winter - lots of sunny days, temps in the 50s and 60s.

Being located on the on the beach, it does get its share of fog, but
It's hard to find any place in the country with a better climate.

Check on the Airport Master Plan, though - they may have something
else in mind for the space.

David Johnson

Good point. There is some Master Plan information he
http://www.flysba.com/?pageID=54 but I wasn't able to find anything by
searching for 'motel' nor 'hotel'. Some more information he
http://gis.ca.gov/catalog/BrowseRecord.epl?id=3425

That place is (IMHO) a prime candidate for a radical upgrade - kind of
run down, but in
a really prime location (walking distance to the beach and University).
Other than the
occasional rainstorm, Santa Barbara has generally good weather in the
winter - lots
of sunny days, temps in the 50s and 60s. Check on the Airport Master
Plan, though -
they may have something else in mind for the space.

I have a friend who purchased a newspaper distribution business in the Santa
Barbara area. On paper, it looked like a dream -- perfect weather, all the
time, great location and life-style -- but it rapidly turned into a
nightmare for him when he couldn't find any workers.

Santa Barbara has priced themselves out of existence, as far as workers go.
Everyone is wealthy, and wants lots of menial labor done for them
(housekeepers, for example) -- but there is simply no affordable housing
available for these folks. So, they don't live there.

My friend went out of business inside of 6 months. He simply couldn't find
anyone to deliver the papers.

Not to rule the place out on this basis -- I love Southern California -- but
without housekeepers and desk staff, you can't run a hotel.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:29:35 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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I have a friend who purchased a newspaper distribution business in the Santa
Barbara area. On paper, it looked like a dream -- perfect weather, all the
time, great location and life-style -- but it rapidly turned into a
nightmare for him when he couldn't find any workers.

He must not have looked very hard. College students are always eager
to earn a buck in entry level positions, and there is always a cadre
of day laborers on Garden Street willing to do menial tasks.

Santa Barbara has priced themselves out of existence, as far as workers go.

I haven't found that to be the case. Reliable help is about $10/hour.

Everyone is wealthy, and wants lots of menial labor done for them
(housekeepers, for example) -- but there is simply no affordable housing
available for these folks. So, they don't live there.

Many housekeeping staff commute daily from nearby Ventura. You're not
suggesting that those myriad Montecito and Hope Ranch mansions are un
staffed, are you?

My friend went out of business inside of 6 months. He simply couldn't find
anyone to deliver the papers.

What was the name of the newspaper?

Not to rule the place out on this basis -- I love Southern California -- but
without housekeepers and desk staff, you can't run a hotel.

It's just too far left of Iowa for your taste.

He must not have looked very hard. College students are always eager
to earn a buck in entry level positions

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Our company distributed newspapers in Iowa City (and many other towns) from
1997 to 2002. When we opened, I, too, foolishly believed that college
students would provide a ready and reliable source of workers. After all,
there are 35,000 of them, right?

In those five years, I had one (that's ONE) college student delivering a
motor route. He lasted precisely three days.

College kids want nothing to do with working at 3 AM.

Santa Barbara has priced themselves out of existence, as far as workers
go.
I haven't found that to be the case. Reliable help is about $10/hour.

If you must pay $10 per hour to get a newspaper delivered, and it's gonna
cost a LOT more than 50 cents per copy. I paid my drivers $.17 per copy
daily, $.35 Sunday. From that had to come their gas, etc. The newspaper
model works in areas with affordable housing and a ready supply of eager,
entry level workers.

Many housekeeping staff commute daily from nearby Ventura. You're not
suggesting that those myriad Montecito and Hope Ranch mansions are un
staffed, are you?

I think in a hotel, the situation would be better than for newspapers,
that's for sure.

My friend went out of business inside of 6 months. He simply couldn't
find
anyone to deliver the papers.

What was the name of the newspaper?

It was the local daily paper. I don't recall the name.

Not to rule the place out on this basis -- I love Southern California --
but
without housekeepers and desk staff, you can't run a hotel.

It's just too far left of Iowa for your taste.

NO AREA is to the left of Iowa City. (After all, we are *still* the only
city in America to have ever elected a card-carrying member of the Communist
Party to our city council. And we're still the Lesbian Capital of the
World, according to "Gay Times" -- or whatever that big gay magazine is
called. And the last Republican elected to office in Johnson County
occurred prior to 1958... It's "Conservative Hell" here, I tell ya! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Not to rule the place out on this basis -- I love Southern California -- but
without housekeepers and desk staff, you can't run a hotel.

Well, you could do like the western NC tomato farmers did in the 60s and provide
transportation for your workers. They would make the rounds of the workers'
homes at dark-30 and pick them up.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:30:25 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
R1u2f.416802$x96.151712@attbi_s72::


1. A small-to-medium hotel on, or adjacent to, an airport.
2. The airport must be very close to the city that it serves. No
"out-in-the-boonies" airports, please.
3. The city must have another attraction that creates hotel business.


The Santa Barbara Airport is located adjacent to University of
California at Santa Barbara. There is a low-budget motel located on
the field: http://www.pilothousemotel.com/
http://www.us-rooms.com/usmem/15401.htm

It's been 25 years since I visited Santa Barbara. Two thing impressed
me the the "plane pools" taking off at 7AM to get lawyers and doctors
to their LA offices and the tarballs on the beach. UCSB placed gallon
cans of solvent and paper towels at each building entrance for cleaning
it off feet and shoes.

Jay Honeck wrote:

1. A small-to-medium hotel on, or adjacent to, an airport.
2. The airport must be very close to the city that it serves. No
"out-in-the-boonies" airports, please.
3. The city must have another attraction that creates hotel business.

Sounds like you want to buy rather than build? There's a motel right next to
Page Field in Fort Myers, Florida. During the winter, nearby Sanibel Island
attracts a lot of vacation traffic. From the outside, the place doesn't have the
ambiance of yours -- more like a "motel 6", but you might be able to do
something about that.

More prosaic is TYS in Knoxville, TN. During the summer, the nearby Smokies
attracts visitors, and the University of Tennessee brings in the college crowd
during the rest of the year. The football situation is worse than Iowa, so you'd
probably be packed in season.

If I were looking to build or create something from a private home, I would
investigate Sevierville, TN. It's closer to the Park and to the tourist traps of
Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

With all the renovation he dose maybe he should build!

Steven Rhine
CP-ASEL-IA
CFI, ATP Student

Tell Me I Cant Do It And I Will Becuse, The Ultimate In Revenge In Success!

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

1. A small-to-medium hotel on, or adjacent to, an airport.
2. The airport must be very close to the city that it serves. No
"out-in-the-boonies" airports, please.
3. The city must have another attraction that creates hotel business.

Sounds like you want to buy rather than build? There's a motel right next
to
Page Field in Fort Myers, Florida. During the winter, nearby Sanibel
Island
attracts a lot of vacation traffic. From the outside, the place doesn't
have the
ambiance of yours -- more like a "motel 6", but you might be able to do
something about that.

More prosaic is TYS in Knoxville, TN. During the summer, the nearby
Smokies
attracts visitors, and the University of Tennessee brings in the college
crowd
during the rest of the year. The football situation is worse than Iowa, so
you'd
probably be packed in season.

If I were looking to build or create something from a private home, I
would
investigate Sevierville, TN. It's closer to the Park and to the tourist
traps of
Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

HEE HEE,
Those orange clad 'teers are not so happy after GEORGIA came to town. I
had to chose between flying or go to the game. Flying won this time. Needed
the practice. I watched my dawgs on TV , and made sure I yelled GO DAWGS
SIC'EM RUFF RUFF RUFF every time we kicked off,..I am sure my neighbors hate
me

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

More prosaic is TYS in Knoxville, TN. During the summer, the nearby
Smokies
attracts visitors, and the University of Tennessee brings in the college
crowd
during the rest of the year. The football situation is worse than Iowa,
so
you'd
probably be packed in season.


George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

W P Dixon wrote:

Those orange clad 'teers are not so happy after GEORGIA came to town.

Well, I hear that the Vols made enough errors in the first two games to create
an entire one hour blooper video (Sam Venable column in the K-town paper).

Fine with me. If you actually believe in academics at UT, there are lots of
reasons to hate the athletic department.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.