position and hold at an angle

"Mark T. Dame" wrote:

As PIC, you always have the option of refusing the request from ATC.
You can simply reply with "Tower, N1234A would prefer to hold short
until cleared for departure." Of course, at a busy airport, you have to
wait a while, and you won't make any friends in the tower..

Deny a position and hold instruction at Boston Logan, and you might as well
taxi back to parking.

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Peter
























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"Mark T. Dame" wrote in message
...

As PIC, you always have the option of refusing the request from ATC. You
can simply reply with "Tower, N1234A would prefer to hold short until
cleared for departure." Of course, at a busy airport, you have to wait a
while, and you won't make any friends in the tower...


Nor will you make any friends among those waiting behind you. If you're
uncomfortable with the common practices at controlled fields it's best for
all concerned if you avoid them.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

wrote in message ...

I do this all the time, control tower, uncontrolled... all the time.


Haw many times has the tower chewed you out for it?

Never! I am alive today because I looked and did not taxi out
in front of an aircraft making right traffic (to a left traffic runway).
Tower said "good call".

Who issues the position
and hold instructions at the uncontrolled airports?

No one? I wonder if you are replying out of context
I NEVER do position and hold at an uncontrolled airport...
and at a tower airport only after I have cleared the approach
path to the runway.

I am advocating a "360 look around". Sometimes that is a full circle,
sometimes it is a 1/2 left and 1/2 right... It depends on where you
are and where you are going. You CAN'T do this when you get to the
hold short line. At the hold short line you MUST BE READY TO GO!


As I am also a local FAA Aviation Safety Counselor,

And you advocate acting contrary to ATC instructions? Shame on you!

I think you mis-read or mis-construe my remarks. I NEVER advocate
acting contray to ATC instructions, save in an emergency.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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wrote in message ...

Never! I am alive today because I looked and did not taxi out
in front of an aircraft making right traffic (to a left traffic runway).
Tower said "good call".


Right traffic to a left traffic runway at a towered field?

You say you always do a 360 to scan the pattern prior to takeoff when
instructed to position and hold and have never had the tower call you on it?
You must not operate at controlled fields very often.



Who issues the position
and hold instructions at the uncontrolled airports?

No one? I wonder if you are replying out of context
I NEVER do position and hold at an uncontrolled airport...
and at a tower airport only after I have cleared the approach
path to the runway.


I'm not replying out of context, but it appears you are. The question was:

"Where are older taildragger pilots taught to do a 360 to scan the pattern
prior to takeoff when instructed to position and hold? Why is this taught?"

Your response was:

"I do this all the time, control tower, uncontrolled... all the time.
Yes, I listen to the radio and keep traffic situational awareness in
mind, but I have also "discovered" a JET making RIGHT traffic to
runway 33 at Fort Collins - Loveland airport (FNL), when the PUBLISHED
and locally-used pattern is LEFT traffic!"



I am advocating a "360 look around". Sometimes that is a full circle,
sometimes it is a 1/2 left and 1/2 right... It depends on where you
are and where you are going. You CAN'T do this when you get to the
hold short line. At the hold short line you MUST BE READY TO GO!


But if you do it after the tower has instructed you to position and hold
you're not complying with the instruction.



I think you mis-read or mis-construe my remarks. I NEVER advocate
acting contray to ATC instructions, save in an emergency.


No, I understood what you wrote. Perhaps you misstated your position.