Trial by newspaper

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I am using google groups to post, and unless I am missing something it
does not seem to allow me the option of including the previous post
unless I manually cut and paste.

This is the new (well, from earlier this year) Google interface. If
you just hit the reply button, your reply will not contain any quoted
material unless you put it in manually. If you want the full-featured
reply Hit "show options", THEN hit "reply" and you will get a reply
window with the full quoted text of the post your are replying to.

Piece of cake once you know where to find it.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am using google groups to post, and unless I am missing something it
does not seem to allow me the option of including the previous post
unless I manually cut and paste.

Hm, when I click Reply in Google Groups, I automatically get the previous
post conventionally quoted in the new message window. Perhaps this is a
settable option, but offhand I don't see where it's set.

--Gary

On 12/14/2005 14:54, Tom Conner wrote:

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 12/14/2005 07:55, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in some
way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques

Andrew was responding to Paul, which is clearly visible when viewing
the thread. If you aren't using a news reader which supports viewing
threads, perhaps you should switch. There are lots of free ones that
do a fine job.

If you have the option enabled to not see already read messages then there
is no thread to follow.



The news reader I used allows me to see each thread which includes
unread messages. It excludes threads that have no unread messages.
This cuts way down on the clutter but still allows me to see the
entire thread.

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:39:42 GMT, Don Tuite
wrote in
::

Be advised that if you want killfile capability, the lite version
won't do. You need to purchase the full-blown version.

The full Agent newsreader, not Free Agent, is operable for 30 days
without charge. The $30 purchase price is a good deal.

I wonder what the exact conditions were at the time and what are the FAA
minimums for that runway and what the company's policy was with the
situations they faced. That will determine your lawsuits.

I've been blogging about the incident with all the factual data I can find.
The ceiling was holding steady at 300 feet, the visibility was ranging
between 1/4 to 3/4 of a mile. FAA minimum for 31C was 250 feet and a RVR of
4000, which apparently was met. It's been mentioned in this newsgroup that
the heads up display would have enabled an approach down to 3000 RVR, but
that's not confirmed.

In the Burbank overrun, the NTSB discovered that it was SWA policy not to
use the 737 Autobrakes, seemingly because of differences between different
737 models. Media reports today indicate that Autobrakes were set at
Maximum, apparently in contradiction of company policy. I don't know what
SWA policy was at the time of the crash however; maybe it changed after the
Burbank accident.

I'll be curious to know how the Autobrakes usage (if in fact that is true)
affects the outcome. On one hand, the Autobrakes can prevent wheel lockup
and keep the aircraft under control. On the otherhand, manual braking
should be able to result in shorter ground rolls, generally.

Charles Oppermann
http://spaces.msn.com/members/chuckop/

"Montblack" wrote in message ...
I start with a clean slate a couple of times a day. If a post pops up without supporting references, I'm
left guessing ------ RMG!! :-)

("Mark Hansen" wrote)
Why is that better? Are you trying to save disk space?


You're not going to start changing my computer around now, like a certain innkeeper did over Thanksgiving,
are you? g ...new messages go to the BOTTOM!

I don't like a cluttered tree of read posts and unread posts. Too overwhelming - searching for a better word.

I delete all of the posts in a newsgroup, at one time, then plow through the next batch when I pull them up.
I do this a couple of times per day. I read more posts this way - the other way, I look at the intermixed
thread-tree mess and say "screw it," as often as not.

Newsgroup/Properties/Local Files/Delete


Do you know about "read next unread"? Control-U and/or add the "Next Unread" button to your button bar...

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 12/14/2005 07:55, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in
some way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques


Andrew was responding to Paul, which is clearly visible when viewing
the thread. If you aren't using a news reader which supports viewing
threads, perhaps you should switch. There are lots of free ones that
do a fine job.

I have a thread capable newsreader and it is still much preferred to
quote a sufficient portion of the thread to which you are replying to
let the reader know the context. I read from message to message and
typically the message window is covering the window that shows the
thread structure.

Dudley's advice is right on here.

Matt

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 12/14/2005 08:13, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm
using is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup
reference properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with
no pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere
other than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as
well as "piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have
defaulted through "owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps
that is the issue.
Dudley Henriques


Strange. I'm looking at the thread posted to both owning and piloting, and
in both cases, the entire thread is there. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.5 on a
Windows platform (Windows/2000 Professional).

Likewise, I see the thread structure clearly, but I'm using Netscape 7.2
which is Mozilla based. Even so, including a short quote is good form.

Matt

I start with a clean slate a couple of times a day. If a post pops up
without supporting references, I'm left guessing ------ RMG!! :-)

("Mark Hansen" wrote)
Why is that better? Are you trying to save disk space?


You're not going to start changing my computer around now, like a certain
innkeeper did over Thanksgiving, are you? g ...new messages go to the
BOTTOM!

Paul is using dial-up strategies in a DSL world. He started doing things
that way in "the olden days", and continues to do so because it's
comfortable, even though the need to save time and disk space is long gone.

I'm the same way with cut-and-paste operations. I *know* that "CTRL-C"
works just as well as "ALT-E-C", and takes one less keystroke, too -- but I
still use the old Lotus 1-2-3 "ALT-E-C" as often as not...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Dudley

I was responding to the original post by Paul. I am sorry if it came
off as 'nailing' anyone. I totally agree with your sentiments about
lawyers trying to turn tragedy into income. However, the victim in
question was not an airline passenger or even a pedestrian at the
airport property. I did not suggest that the victims parents should sue
SWA. However, for their peace of mind, they do deserve an answer as to
why this freak accident happened.


And they deserve to know if it really was a freak accident or an error
in judgement. The NTSB is pretty good at sorting these out so I suspect
the parents will get an answer in due time.


Matt