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Old December 22nd 05, 12:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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My experimental is a 2-place, and my non-pilot wife is my passenger
almost all the time. Since I'm in an age group that experiences occasional,
although rare, heart attacks and strokes etc., I'm teaching my wife how not
only how to control the airplane, but how to use the nav radios so she can
get back down safely in case I become incapacitated. I am not a certified
instructor.
During all this, however, I remain as PIC so there is absolutely no
prohibition against what I'm doing. My wife has no aspirations to get a
pilot's license so endorsements are a non-issue, only being able to fly,
navigate, and land the airplane.

Terry

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One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a friend fly his
plane.


For part 91 light plane operations, there is no rule against it. It is
legal. You remain PIC and you remain responsible for the safety of the
flight.

Jose
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Old August 11th 06, 04:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Christopher C. Stacy
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"Doug" writes:
One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a friend fly his plane.
Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and the plane has dual controls,
his friend is an adult, but no license.

Anyone know for sure?


His friend could be a golden retriever without a license
and it would still be legal. Dual controls are only required if
your friend is a CFI and the dog is receiving flight instruction.



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Old August 11th 06, 04:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Christopher C. Stacy
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"Jim Macklin" writes:
You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or not] is
flying if you are a CFI.
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


The relevent FARs do not make reference to "flying" nor
to "unlicensed" "pilots". They refer to people posessing
various certificates and to people who are manipulating
controls or not. They make no reference to passengers
who happen to be manipulating the controls.

His dog can legally "fly" the plane.

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Old August 11th 06, 04:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Macklin
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As long as your student holds a recreational, sport, private
or commercial certificate. On a student certificate no
passengers may be carried. I know this is obvious, but you
said "student" twice, I thought I'd clarify for the other
readers.


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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Christopher C. Stacy" wrote in
message ...
| "Doug" writes:
| One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a
friend fly his plane.
| Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and the plane
has dual controls,
| his friend is an adult, but no license.
|
| Anyone know for sure?
|
| His friend could be a golden retriever without a license
| and it would still be legal. Dual controls are only
required if
| your friend is a CFI and the dog is receiving flight
instruction.
|
|
|


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Old August 11th 06, 04:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Macklin
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Default Let a friend fly the plane. Legal?

But then nobody logs the flight.



"Christopher C. Stacy" wrote in
message ...
| "Jim Macklin"
writes:
| You can only log PIC when another pilot [licensed or
not] is
| flying if you are a CFI.
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| The relevent FARs do not make reference to "flying" nor
| to "unlicensed" "pilots". They refer to people posessing
| various certificates and to people who are manipulating
| controls or not. They make no reference to passengers
| who happen to be manipulating the controls.
|
| His dog can legally "fly" the plane.
|


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Old August 11th 06, 05:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
John Godwin
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in
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But then nobody logs the flight.

His dog does? :-)

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Old August 11th 06, 05:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Jose[_1_]
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But then nobody logs the flight.

I disagree. The passenger flying is an organic autopilot.

Jose
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Old August 12th 06, 06:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Christopher C. Stacy
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"Jim Macklin" writes:
But then nobody logs the flight.


Bull****.
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Old August 13th 06, 02:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Kyler Laird
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One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a friend fly his plane.
Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and the plane has dual controls,


The part about dual controls caught my eye. Does it matter? Is it a
problem if my wife and I take dual with an instructor (as PIC) in back?

--kyler
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Old August 13th 06, 05:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:40:01 -0400, Kyler Laird
wrote:

One of my students asked me if it is legal to let a friend fly his plane.
Student is legal PIC, not an instructor and the plane has dual controls,


The part about dual controls caught my eye. Does it matter? Is it a
problem if my wife and I take dual with an instructor (as PIC) in back?


I'm licensed and instrument rated. I often let 8 and 10 year old
kids fly the Debonair and with less coaching than many Cherokee and
Cessna pilots they do right well. I can set back and watch the
scenery and it is quite safe as long as I keep an eye on things.

As I am instrument rated they can (if we are on a instrument flight
plan) fly it through the clouds. Again, if I'm on my toes it can be
done both legally and safely. (It's my ticket and we will maintain
altitude and headingG) However I'd advise against taking some one
into the clouds on their first or even second ride unless you like to
clean upholstery and enjoy that genuine airliner aroma on a hot day.

Some one must be up front who can legally serve as PIC. That excludes
students. They are responsible for the flight even if they only talk
the person in the right seat through the flight.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


--kyler

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
 




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