ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

darthpup wrote:

If you get
caught inside the zone then bail out and hide in the woods.

Unless you carry a transponder and transceiver, that is a violation of the
ADIZ. You're supposed to depart the ADIZ, but that's tough to achieve
while hanging under a parachute.

- Andrew

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Funny. I though that's what a biennial was all about?

What isn't funny, is how many people are flying that have not had a biennial
in decades.
--
Jim in NC

"Ron Lee" wrote

And my Etrex will run about 12 hours ona fresh set of rechargeable
batteries. My Airmap may not last that long but surely enough for a
typical cross-country flight. No cigarette lighter plugin is needed.

There is also the choice of taking one of those emergency car starting
battery units, too. For a couple pounds of luggage, you can run whatever
you want, for a long time, and not spend any money on batteries; just
recharge the car jumper back up.
--
Jim in NC

What isn't funny, is how many people are flying that have not had a biennial
in decades.

I fly all the time. Sometimes I use an airplane.
--
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The pilot didn't have BFR, or the BFR system isn't working.

Mike Schumann

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking
out the window? Makes you really question a system where you get your
pilots license and you are good to go for life. Maybe there should be
some
periodic retest to make sure people still have the skills they need or
have
learned about new stuff that didn't exist when they first got their
license.

Funny. I though that's what a biennial was all about?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible. But you would think that a
stundent pilot with 30 hours, particularly one who is going along to get
cross country experience would have a little better grasp of map reading and
basic navigation.

Mike Schumann

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course, found him to be blameless.)

--Gary

On 1/3/06 11:55 AM, in article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary


The "student/pilot passenger" was flying.
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote in
et::

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.

In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Funny. I though that's what a biennial was all about?

What isn't funny, is how many people are flying that have not had a biennial
in decades.

Only fly during the odd numbered years and you never need a BFR :-)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:vzvuf.457464$084.400527@attbi_s22...
The current issue of AOPA Pilot has a fascinating article about the two pilots (one certificated, one student) who
penetrated the Washington ADIZ last spring, and brought the wrath of the government down upon us all.



Link is he http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pi...light0601.html
(may need to be an AOPA member)


What struck me was the entirely casual way in which it all happened. Troy Martin (the student) and Jim Sheaffer (the
70 year old pilot -- NOT a flight instructor, as some had reported) had met completely by chance at an airport
function, and become friends just a week before the flight. Martin had 30 hours of training, and was coming up on
his long cross-country flights -- so when he heard that Sheaffer was planning a long flight from their base in
Lancaster, PA to a North Carolina fly-in, he inquired about tagging along.



You fail to mention that they got together the evening before the flight to build a flight plan, and checked the on-line
references for weather, etc. Sheaffer is in process of rebuilding a C-172 and is active in the local EAA chapter. Martin
is an aeronautical engineer.


Thus began the most atrociously influential ADIZ bust since 9/11.

It truly was a comedy of errors in many ways. Thanks to the stupid AD against allowing cigarette lighters in Cessna
150s, the lighter had been disconnected in the rental plane they flew. Without on-board power, Sheaffer left his GPS
in the truck. They didn't get a weather briefing because of construction in the terminal building that prevented them
from getting into the lounge where the phone was located. The weather was CAVU, so they just skipped it.



They checked online weather the day of the flight; they did not contact FSS or file a flight plane however.


Then the helicopter that initially intercepted them could not communicate on civilian frequencies, so our wayward
pilots didn't know what they wanted them to do. A simple "Follow me" sign would have solved the problem almost
instantly -- but the crew in the Blackhawk had no such sign.



The helicopter had a 'well armed' person on board and presented a sign that said contact 121.5. When they dialed up
121.5 all they heard was and ELT beep-beep-beep swamping out the frequency.


Finally, the F-16s that intercepted them broke off in two different directions in front of the 150. If they had
broken in the *same* direction, Martin (who was flying) would have followed them. But they didn't, and he didn't know
what to do, or which way to turn.

Of course, the most incredible thing of all is that Sheaffer (the certificated one) simply didn't know there was an
ADIZ over Washington. He was clearly not an active pilot (among other things, he was busted for carrying a passenger
more than 90 days after his last flight, and it had been 20 years since his last cross-country flight), and he clearly
hadn't been following events since 9/11. It's hard to feel sorry for such ignorance -- especially when it harmed us
all so severely -- but I found myself thinking about all the 70 year-old pilots that hang out at my airport, and I
realized that it could have easily happened to many of them.



Sheaffer knew about the ADIZ, but he thought it followed the class B airspace configuration; in other words he thought
he could fly under it. He was 4 days beyond the 90 day 3 takeoff & landing requirement; not exactly inactive, but
certainly not current.


Strangely, when I was a student I made an almost identical flight with an older pilot. He was not a very active
pilot, and -- although we didn't manage to get *too* lost -- he clearly wasn't on the navigational ball, any more than
Sheaffer was. Of course, my flight took place in Wisconsin, in the pre-9/11 world, and the worst thing that happened
to us was "kissing" the edge of Class D before realizing where we were. No harm, no foul, for us.

Not so for these guys -- or all you folks back east.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

--
Dan DeVillers
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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