CFI practical test - aircraft required

Jim Macklin wrote:
But that does not require the examiner to waive the
demonstration, it merely allows the examiner to do so. Some
examiners really like to spin.



yes, I am aware of that, I have read part 61 in that regard.
If for some reason I am required to go back and demonstrate
spin recovery then I will.

That is what I had to do. I brought my Mooney and the Decathlon.

-Robert

BTW: One of the reasons I had to bring my Mooney was that my POH also
prohibits cross countrol stalls, something the examiner can select from
the POH. I did speak with a CFI who used to teach cross control stalls
in a Mooney anway. One day he aged 20 years in 2 minutes, he no longer
does them.

-robert

Jim Macklin wrote:
The 150/152 cabin is tight with two men, not a lot of
shoulder and hip room, so the use of a larger airplane may
be necessary. It may not even be possible to carry a
minimum fuel load and be under certified gross weight,
depends on the size of the pilots [2 x 200+] pilots doesn't
leave much for fuel, oil and charts, fuel reserve and lesson
fuel.


Oh, right, that's why I stopped flying them. I'm at 150, so it limited
my instructors and flying buddies. Really limited fuel.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
That is what I had to do. I brought my Mooney and the Decathlon.

-Robert

How do you bring two aircraft? I did my initial with a DE, so traveling
wasn't a problem, but I don't know how I would have gotten two aircraft
to the nearest FSDO - 75 miles away.

2 days or a friend to ferry



"Rachel" wrote in message
...
| Robert M. Gary wrote:
| That is what I had to do. I brought my Mooney and the
Decathlon.
|
| -Robert
|
| How do you bring two aircraft? I did my initial with a
DE, so traveling
| wasn't a problem, but I don't know how I would have gotten
two aircraft
| to the nearest FSDO - 75 miles away.

In Sacramento, all initial CFI checkrides are done by DEs. The only
difference between an initial CFI and a regular checkride is that the
FSDO assigns the DE, you can't pick. The DE happened to be based at the
airport I keep my Mooney at.

-Robert

When I took my CFI checkride everyone thought it was amazing I did it
in one day. The oral was over 8 hours and the practical was about 2
hours. I guess long summer days help. I also had gotten near 100% on
the written and aced through the initial oral regarding FOI. I had made
up flash cards and memorized every aspect of FOI. That turned out to be
a great start for the checkride.
During the oral I had to develop a lesson plan for 180 precision
approaches (a commerical manuever). I actually taught it different than
the FAA says to (the FAA says to use best glide abeam the numbers, I
said use 80 knots). I was able to successfully explain to the examiner
than if we cooked it in downwind at best glide in the Mooney we would
end up gliding forever and that a Mooney pilot really would want to be
set up for landing at such a low altitude, vs. still in best glide
mode. He agreed that it was better to stay close to the airport vs.
spending several miles drifting away from the airport to lose speed.

-Robert

BTW: One common practice with some FSDOs is to ask the applicant the
inspection requirements for an ELT as you walk in the door. If you get
it wrong they dismiss you off the bat. I think they think its good to
fail you right off teh bat to show they are serious (and that they are
oh, so important people ).

-Robert

Also, If you setup a "best glide" speed you just gave up the
option to adjust the approach, I would use best glide + 5,
which give me more energy and allows me to extend the glide
by slowing down those 5 knots. I can kill speed with a
slip.

Years ago, in Tulsa, the FAA expected a CFI initial to take
2 days. Getting a good score on the written (knowledge
test) is a good thing, but just to raise the alternate
issue...the examiner/inspector is required to ask questions
about areas missed on the written, if you have a 95-100% he
has fewer questions guided into areas he has to check. A
80-90% grade shows you did study and not just squeak by and
it gives several known questions that you can prepare
yourself for...otherwise the examiner will likely really go
looking to find a weakness and you don't know what your
weaknesses might be.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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| When I took my CFI checkride everyone thought it was
amazing I did it
| in one day. The oral was over 8 hours and the practical
was about 2
| hours. I guess long summer days help. I also had gotten
near 100% on
| the written and aced through the initial oral regarding
FOI. I had made
| up flash cards and memorized every aspect of FOI. That
turned out to be
| a great start for the checkride.
| During the oral I had to develop a lesson plan for 180
precision
| approaches (a commerical manuever). I actually taught it
different than
| the FAA says to (the FAA says to use best glide abeam the
numbers, I
| said use 80 knots). I was able to successfully explain to
the examiner
| than if we cooked it in downwind at best glide in the
Mooney we would
| end up gliding forever and that a Mooney pilot really
would want to be
| set up for landing at such a low altitude, vs. still in
best glide
| mode. He agreed that it was better to stay close to the
airport vs.
| spending several miles drifting away from the airport to
lose speed.
|
| -Robert
|