Angel Flight

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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Same for AFNE. I use rental planes for AF missions.

Gary,

Isn't that god-awful expensive?

It's no more expensive than flying just for fun. AF missions are as much fun
as any other flying, plus they accomplish something useful.

--Gary

Opps, I read the question wrong. I read the question as "Do you use
your own plane for this?" The answer is yes, however you don't have
troo.

HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

There's no such requirement for renters at AFNE, however.

--Gary

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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Opps, I read the question wrong. I read the question as "Do you use
your own plane for this?" The answer is yes, however you don't have
troo.

HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
6 or 12 months (I don't recall which). I never understood why the
currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

-Robert


The ONLY requirement for a renter pilot is a one time checkout from
the FBO or flying club for the aircraft to be used. I'm not aware of any
FBO's or flying clubs which will let you rent without such a checkout.

All pilots must furnish proof of insurance. If you can rent from
multiple FBO's and/or clubs, then you need to furnish proof of insurance
from all of them you might use for an Angel Flight. Similarly, you must
also furnish proof of insurance for an aircraft you own.

The currency requirements apply to ALL pilots, not just renter pilots.
This rule states "Affirmation that the pilot has flown at least 50 hours
total time within the previous 12 months. If the total time minimum has not
been met, then affirmation that the pilot has received a flight review per
FAR 61.56 within the preceding 12 months. Participation and receipt of one
Phase in the FAA Wings program will suffice, if completed within the
previous 12 months (Wings Phase completion also resets flight review clock
per FAR 61.56 (e))."

The Angel Flight West pilot requirements can be found at
http://www.angelflight.org/members/requirements.asp

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Gary,

Isn't that god-awful expensive?

Bryan


After taxes, it may actually cost less to rent than to fly your own
plane on an Angel Flight mission. Basically, if you rent, you can deduct
the entire cost of the flight (rental, gas if a "dry" rental, ramp fees,
and landing fees). If you own, you can only deduct gas, ramp fees, &
landing fees.

The big difference is that a rental rate includes maintenance reserves
(engine overhaul, prop overhaul, radio maintenance, mechanical maintenance,
annual, etc.). None of these are deductible if you use your own aircraft.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Yes. A less urgent type of Angel Flight is transporting Mother's Milk.
San Jose, CA used to have a few of these flights on a regular basis.

George Patterson wrote in
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George wrote:
One example would be flying organs from an organ donor to a
recipient.


--

Hai,
Great! Be sure to introduce yourself if I don't recognize the name from
this group.

Marco

Longworth wrote:
My husband and I will fill in the application in the spring. Maybe
we will see you at one of the orientation meetings.

Hai Longworth

The practice at Angel Flight GA (based at PDK, Atlanta) that I fly for
is to deduct the 'fair market value' of the flight hours. An FBO on
the field rents a Cardinal '75 RG for $125+ per hour. I submit a
flight report after each flight in my owned '75 177RG. The next Jan,
AF sends me a statement showing the totals for my tax return.

- Steve Mills
N2679V 'Vicky'
Cardinal '75 RG
@ PDK, Atlanta



On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:25:29 GMT, Marty Shapiro
wrote:

wrote in
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Gary,

Isn't that god-awful expensive?

Bryan


After taxes, it may actually cost less to rent than to fly your own
plane on an Angel Flight mission. Basically, if you rent, you can deduct
the entire cost of the flight (rental, gas if a "dry" rental, ramp fees,
and landing fees). If you own, you can only deduct gas, ramp fees, &
landing fees.

The big difference is that a rental rate includes maintenance reserves
(engine overhaul, prop overhaul, radio maintenance, mechanical maintenance,
annual, etc.). None of these are deductible if you use your own aircraft.

HOWEVER... AngelFlight West has specific requirements for renter
pilots. You must receive a checkout from the FBO by your FBOs CFI every
6 or 12 months (I don't recall which).

Not at AFSC. Every Angel Flight is a kingdom unto itself, and makes
its own rules. Some of them seem sensible on the surface, but really
they're all bad. Actually, once you get into the leadership structure,
the politics are hideous. I was once talked into serving as assistant
wing leader for a while - that lasted a few months and nearly soured me
on the whole concept.

I never understood why the
currency requirements are higher for renters but they are.

It's another of those rules that, on the surface sounds good but isn't.
The logic is simple - most renters are low time and don't fly much, so
they need recurrent training the most. Thus it makes sense to make
sure they get it. It's all very logical - and it's bull****.

Most owners don't fly much either (I believe the average personal
airplane flies 26 hours a year) and, because they can fly whenever they
want, are even more likely to wait for better weather than renters.
Also, many of them get pencilwhipped BFR's - I know several who have
been getting their BFR's in a bar rather than an airplane for decades.
The difference is that renters are used to rules and bull****, and
owners feel they shouldn't have to deal with rules and bull****. Thus
extra rules for renters.

Michael

Joining Angel Flight (anywhere) does not require you to pass all
the criteria for command pilot! You can still join (please do!) and
participate as a Mission Assistant, help with any of the typical
infrastructure needs (planning, marketing, membership & recruiting,
publicity, etc).

Don't *NOT* join just because you don't have all the qualifications
to be a command pilot.