I think I know why so many Cirrus' crash

In a previous article, "Michael Ware" said:
I got landing clearance once, 'Cessna 1234Z clear to land, short approach,
Hawker traffic five mile final'.
'Unable, continuing downwind'

I got something like that on my first solo - the tower said "make a short
approach, or continue downwind". I chose the downwind.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
My brother went to Florida, and all he bought me was this stupid election.
- George W. Bush

"Michael Ware" wrote in message
.. .

I got landing clearance once, 'Cessna 1234Z clear to land, short approach,
Hawker traffic five mile final'.
'Unable, continuing downwind'

sure, could have cut the throttle, dropped the flaps and swooped in real
tight, but it really isn't worth the minute or two saved to get bunched
up.
Just relax and watch the jet traffic go by.

That's certainly a reasonable choice. But I prefer to regard the tower's
short-approach instruction (usually prefaced with "if able") to be good a
opportunity for spontaneous engine-failure practice, so I like to comply.

--Gary

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:20:20 -0500, "Kyle Boatright"
wrote:


"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Coming back from KCOS to 00V today several aircraft were in the
pattern for runway 33 and some people wanted runway 15 since the winds
were at the changeover point. With one or two at the runup area for
runway 15 I just went east until the fiasco was sorted out (I made
several position reports since people were all over).

Once that happened I announced my intentions (enter left downwind for
15) about 7-8 miles out and not long after that a Cirrus announced he
was 10 miles out. When I was on left downwind the Cirrus pilot
broadcast that he was on about 4 mile base for 15. I "assumed" he
meant downwind. Then when I was about to turn base he called out four
mile FINAL for 15. I saw a plane in that area and turned base
(calling it out by radio of course)

He asked if I was cutting in front of him and I stated "Looks like
it."

You are lower, in the pattern and turning final following procedure.

However if you were in the proper place at the proper time you should
have been at the proper speed.

Be prepared and be flexible. ATC has a way of asking pilots to "keep
the speed up as long as praticable".


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

He asked if I was cutting in front of him and I stated "Looks like
it."


You are lower, in the pattern and turning final following procedure.

He wasn't cutting in front of him. That implies cutting him off.
Simply announcing you are on x mile final doesn't shut down final and
make everybody follow you.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:42:30 -0700, Newps wrote:





He asked if I was cutting in front of him and I stated "Looks like
it."


You are lower, in the pattern and turning final following procedure.

He wasn't cutting in front of him. That implies cutting him off.
Simply announcing you are on x mile final doesn't shut down final and
make everybody follow you.

Which is what I was getting at:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Thus my assessment is that Cirrus pilots have too much money and
inadequate pilot skills/common sense. Other fatal crashes just add to
this perception.

What you are seeing isn't anything specific to the Cirrus.

Jerks are jerks.

Rich jerks with high performance planes are dangerous.

Rich jerks flying high performance planes too infrequently are disasters
waiting to happen.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sort of like SUV owners. I once had a plane fly under me and land when
I was a mile from touch down at Bader, Atlantic City. Just turned to
the left and went around again.
Homo sapiens is generally a very foolish species.

Congratulations. I have been waiting for your post since you told us last
week of your plans. Welcome to the wonderful world of "Real" flying;
something so many people think is an impossible feat.

--
John Huthmaker
PPL-SEL P-28-161

http://www.cogentnetworking.com
"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Coming back from KCOS to 00V today several aircraft were in the
pattern for runway 33 and some people wanted runway 15 since the winds
were at the changeover point. With one or two at the runup area for
runway 15 I just went east until the fiasco was sorted out (I made
several position reports since people were all over).

Once that happened I announced my intentions (enter left downwind for
15) about 7-8 miles out and not long after that a Cirrus announced he
was 10 miles out. When I was on left downwind the Cirrus pilot
broadcast that he was on about 4 mile base for 15. I "assumed" he
meant downwind. Then when I was about to turn base he called out four
mile FINAL for 15. I saw a plane in that area and turned base
(calling it out by radio of course)

He asked if I was cutting in front of him and I stated "Looks like
it."

Soon thereafter I decided that I was too fast so went around then when
on downwind again stated that his (Cirrus "pilot") pattern entry was
bad. His response was "I called it out." I told him that it was not
good when other planes are using a standard pattern. Had he been the
only one around I would not have cared.

Thus my assessment is that Cirrus pilots have too much money and
inadequate pilot skills/common sense. Other fatal crashes just add to
this perception.

Ron Lee

"John Huthmaker" wrote:

Congratulations. I have been waiting for your post since you told us last
week of your plans. Welcome to the wonderful world of "Real" flying;
something so many people think is an impossible feat.

--
John Huthmaker

Care to explain what you are talking about?

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:

Care to explain what you are talking about?

I would suspect that he meant to reply to the thread of the individual who
just took his first discovery flight, elsewhere in this newsgroup.

--
Peter