want to design/built my own plane

"Tim Ward" wrote in message
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"Tater Schuld" wrote in message
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"Chris Wells" wrote in
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Want to fly cheap, and have more fun than the "real" pilots?

Hang glide.

1-800-HANG-GLIDE
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Chris Wells

hmmm, aside from not having anyplace to launch. how are these cheaper?

hang gliders $3-5K
affordaplane $3-5K
legal Eagle $2300 plus vw engine and prop

Well, it's a little-known secret, but I guess I can tell you...
You don't have to buy a new hang glider.
prices for plane kits were NEW
prices listed for hang gliders were USED

or at least from the classified website i looked at.

In article et, Richard Lamb wrote:


on that thought...

Anybody have plans for the old Icarus hang glider
that they might part with?

The tail-less swept wing biplane ?

Or better yet, a complete airframe?


Richard

We actually have an old Icarus II kit with plans up in the loft. Not sure we
want to part with the kit, but I might be convinced to run a copy of the
plans.

Rob Sinclair
Sport Flight Aviation
www.sport-flight.com

Yeah, they are rough. Not CAD. Definitely a "builder's" plan-set. A lot has
to be researched and filled in, but you learn! You want a good, honest
flying, true FAR 103 Ultralight, here's the plane! You LEARN to build with
this and for a very small cost.

Just remember that when you point one finger, you have three more pointing
back at yourself! Make sure you know of which you speak!


Bob Severance - LEU #64H
"Percival L Mincer" wrote in message
ups.com...
Have you seen the Legal Eagle and Double Eagle plans? Literally the
WORSE I have ever seen. They look like Jethro Bodine did them in crayon
and the spelling is WORSE. They are on copy paper. Anybody want a set,
I traded a guy a Montecristo #4 cigar for the plans and you are welcome
to them.

As far as hang-gliding goes, you can do it pretty cheap. An
interductory weekend package at a eastern school like Lookout Mountain
or Kitty Hawk Kites should still be under $500 and that'll get you a
hang-1 rating. Not much, but enough to foot-launch from a 60-ft hill
and fly for 30 seconds or more. Quite a thrill to this pilot. I'm
still a proud hang-1. Working up to a hang-2 rating will set you back
about another $500, but then you can mountain launch from a 1/4 mile
up, and even a sled-ride will last 5 minutes at Lookout Mountain. Once
you learn to thermal, its up to the weather (hehe, pun!)

As far as a wing goes, look for a good used training ship from one of
the schools. LMFP and KHK usually sell theirs off every year and you
stand a good chance of buying the wing that you've been learning on,
which will be appro. for a beginner's skill level, for $1200-$1500.
You'll still need a harness, helmet, and a few other goodies, but I
think it could be done for under $2500. So that's $3500 total, for
training, gear, and a wing. Not bad compared to the $7k my local flight
school is asking to teach me to drive a spam-can.

Beyond that, yes new gliders average $3-5k for something nice like a
Wills Wing U2 or a topless ATOS. But if you're that into hang-gliding
by then, you're likely to stick with it just b/c you enjoy it as
another form of flying.

In it's day IMO the Icarus IIb was one of the best hang gliders
available, the Seagull V was a close second. fond remembrances....
Joe.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:51:45 GMT, (Rob S.)
wrote:

In article et, Richard Lamb wrote:


on that thought...

Anybody have plans for the old Icarus hang glider
that they might part with?

The tail-less swept wing biplane ?

Or better yet, a complete airframe?


Richard

We actually have an old Icarus II kit with plans up in the loft. Not sure we
want to part with the kit, but I might be convinced to run a copy of the
plans.

Rob Sinclair
Sport Flight Aviation
www.sport-flight.com

In article , Joe Brophy says...

In it's day IMO the Icarus IIb was one of the best hang gliders
available, the Seagull V was a close second. fond remembrances....
Joe.


I had an IcarusII and later I built an Easy Riser which I eventually powered.
The riser was a bit better especially in a stall due to it's larger diameter
LE.But they were very similar in performance.There wasn't a kite type Hang
glider that to come close to the performance. Seagull V was a real good floater
,you could soar in light winds that wouldn't support other rigs. They did lack
penetration in stiff winds though. But still fun :-)

Chuck (Chuck's Glider Supplies) S

"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
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In article , Joe Brophy
says...

In it's day IMO the Icarus IIb was one of the best hang gliders
available, the Seagull V was a close second. fond remembrances....
Joe.


I had an IcarusII and later I built an Easy Riser which I eventually
powered.
The riser was a bit better especially in a stall due to it's larger
diameter
LE.But they were very similar in performance.There wasn't a kite type Hang
glider that to come close to the performance. Seagull V was a real good
floater
,you could soar in light winds that wouldn't support other rigs. They did
lack
penetration in stiff winds though. But still fun :-)

Chuck (Chuck's Glider Supplies) S

I still have some of the first issues of "Low and Slow" somewhere in the
basement; skimmed them a few years ago and that definitely was a blast.

Whatever happened to the Icarus designer, Taras Kiceniuk?

Michael Pilla
(Manta wing at Coyote Hills Regional Park in Fremont - now that was a looong
time ago.)

In article , Michael Pilla says...

I still have some of the first issues of "Low and Slow" somewhere in the
basement; skimmed them a few years ago and that definitely was a blast.

Whatever happened to the Icarus designer, Taras Kiceniuk?

Michael Pilla
(Manta wing at Coyote Hills Regional Park in Fremont - now that was a looong
time ago.)

Last time I talked to Taras he was working with Dolphins with the Navy somewhere
in Florida,but that was about 10 years ago.
I still have most of the issues of Low and Slow and a bunch of early Ground
Skimmers and Midwest Hang Glider News.
Boy that was a looong time ago ,we all were a bunch of young studs and now we're
just a bunch of ol' Pharts LOL!!

Chuck (Chuck's Glider Supplies) S

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
In article , Michael Pilla says...

I still have some of the first issues of "Low and Slow" somewhere in the
basement; skimmed them a few years ago and that definitely was a blast.

Whatever happened to the Icarus designer, Taras Kiceniuk?

Michael Pilla
(Manta wing at Coyote Hills Regional Park in Fremont - now that was a looong
time ago.)


Last time I talked to Taras he was working with Dolphins with the Navy somewhere
in Florida,but that was about 10 years ago.
I still have most of the issues of Low and Slow and a bunch of early Ground
Skimmers and Midwest Hang Glider News.
Boy that was a looong time ago ,we all were a bunch of young studs and now we're
just a bunch of ol' Pharts LOL!!

Chuck (Chuck's Glider Supplies) S



Oh man, Chuck, you had to bring THAT up!

When I was young, all my joints were limber, except one.
Now all my joints are stiff, except one...


Richard

Stormy Petrel 1 at Panama City Beach, FL in 1997 (SP 1 was a very
close copy of Batso, complete with parallel bars)

Stormy Petrel 2 & 2a at Piedmont Park in Atlanta (rebuilt versions of
SP1, but with a larger sail and trapese-bar control)

Stormy Petrel 3 at Kill Devil Hills Beach (the hump) ...it flew, but
I didn't (SP3 was also a bamboo ship, but was wire-braced.)

I got the bug after reading Dan Poynter's book: Hang Gliding. A great
read, and lots of great photos from back in the day when I was 2, and
some people had WAYYYY more hair!

"Its only fun until you take off vertically without a run, climb to 20
ft, fly backwards for 40 yards, pass over a Rastafarian playing a
guitar, and make a vertical stand-up landing that completely shatters
your 3" dia bamboo keel." ...Me


yep, that's a true story.