Plane for the kids

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Ask your local FAA Inspector... I see no problem with having
a passenger put their name in a book as a passenger, but by
law (FAR) only an authorized instructor may endorse (sign)
for instruction given.

Wrong. By *regulation* (FAR), only an authorized instructor may endorse for
instruction given *and used for the purpose of meeting the requirements of
the regulation (FAR)*.

Anyone can sign anything they want. Most things require a CFI if you want
the endorsement to be useful for the purpose of meeting the requirements of
the FARs, but that doesn't mean someone who isn't a CFI can't sign a
logbook.

Pete

"Deborah McFarland" wrote in message
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Robert,

My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not a CFI. It wasn't a
big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.

You've brought up a good point here... There are two things involved in
getting a license -- actually learning to fly and fulfilling the actual FAA
requirements... I sometimes let my daughter 'fly' my plane... She's only 12
now, but someday she might even progress to the point of doing a takeoff and
a landing... For now, she's happy enough to just be able to fly straight and
level... Of course, I'm using the term 'straight and level' rather
loosely... At some point, I'll turn her over to a CFI to let her get her
license, but if I've done it right, she should be able to solo pretty damn
close to immediately...

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"Deborah McFarland" wrote in message
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Robert,

My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not a CFI. It wasn't a
big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.

You've brought up a good point here... There are two things involved in
getting a license -- actually learning to fly and fulfilling the actual
FAA
requirements... I sometimes let my daughter 'fly' my plane... She's only
12
now, but someday she might even progress to the point of doing a takeoff
and
a landing... For now, she's happy enough to just be able to fly straight
and
level... Of course, I'm using the term 'straight and level' rather
loosely... At some point, I'll turn her over to a CFI to let her get her
license, but if I've done it right, she should be able to solo pretty damn
close to immediately...


Bingo. According to my log book, I soloed after about 1.5 hours of dual.

In a taildragger.

I'm not THAT good...

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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" wrote in message
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Bingo. According to my log book, I soloed after about 1.5 hours of dual.

In a taildragger.

I'm not THAT good...

Yep, I'm using the same technique for SCUBA... First she goes diving with me
and I teach her how to dive... Then, when she's old enough, she gets
rubberstamped by the certification agency... Hell, I dove for over 20 years
before I finally "got official" and was rubberstamped with a C-card...

Some people might bring up the issue of the person not getting credit for
all the hours that they had flown this way, but I don't see it as that big
of a deal as long as the person is not renting a plane... Wether the person
is working on the license or just flying for fun, they would probably be
doing the flights anyway... The main thing that it prevents is the carrying
of passengers... Not that big of a deal for 40 hours... Hell, we need people
doing it this way so that the average hours until solo (or PPL) will go
down... grin

Check with a California tax attorney. The last time I checked, if you
buy a plane out of state, then keep it based out of state for 90 days
and use it out of stat and can prove it (tie down reciept, gas reciepts
logbooks) you don't have to pay the sales/use tax. It doesn't have to
stay in the state where you bought it. You could buy it in Ohio, fly
it to Nevada and base it in Las Vegas for 3 months, fly it once a month
there. Might be worth it.

Another option would be to lease it for a year.

A 150 is a great choice. You can sell it for exactly what you have in
to it, knock of $500 and you can sell it in a day.

I wouldn't teach my own kids to fly. I'd find a CFI that I liked.
There's too much relationship baggage between a teen and a parent. YMMV

Some parents simply refuse to pull their kids aside, take the time, and
legitimately make an effort to teach their kids anything. These parents
think that kids learn through experience, osmosis, or only at school. Every
time I sit down and make a serious effort to methodically teach my son
something, I'm proud to say that he pays perfect attention, asks serious
questions, and enjoys it. Often he goes on and on about the subject on his
own afterwards trying to impress me with what he learned. I used to "use"
him as a practice student for CFI lessons, I never thought any of it was
really sinking in until one day I heard him telling his little sister about
the aerodynamics of a spin as he chased her around the living room playing
airplane. I know it was purely rote, but I was impressed that he'd
remembered it and repeated it correctly. If he continues this type of
behavior, I will have no problem teaching him to fly someday, but I am also
sure that I will send him out with a few of my mentors for check flights and
progress checks.

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are
old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions
would be appreciated...

1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I
aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer
hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would
be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be
fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or
a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice
too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to
fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of
two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once
they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying
until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy
with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they
will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years.

-Robert, CFI

I'm proud to say that he pays perfect attention, asks serious questions, and enjoys it.

I agree. I teach my kids things everyday. Right now I"m teaching them
how to properly fire and use their BB rifle. They think its awesome to
learn from dad. I taught my boys baseball, basketball, football, etc.
I'm proud to say they are very good at all now and compete in leagues.
Some people send their kids to day care, etc to teach them things.
Others are very comfortable teaching kids all they need to know
themselves. I honestly don't see any problem teaching them to fly. I'm
offering them a plane and my time for free. If they decided they wanted
someone else to teach them, they'll have to work extra shifts at the
McD's.
No, if it were my wife, it would be a very different story. I still
can't make her understand that there is a middle ground between rolling
through a stop sign and sitting for 30 seconds at the sign. I just
sit quite and think of something else.

-Robert, CFI

Agree on the wife thing.... I've already figured out that I'll never teach
her to fly. I may be able to help her now and then, but only if she comes
to me with questions seeking explainations, then she's open to listening to
me explain something. She'll do that now with her accounting classes but I
know better than to butt in without her asking.

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm proud to say that he pays perfect attention, asks serious
questions, and enjoys it.

I agree. I teach my kids things everyday. Right now I"m teaching them
how to properly fire and use their BB rifle. They think its awesome to
learn from dad. I taught my boys baseball, basketball, football, etc.
I'm proud to say they are very good at all now and compete in leagues.
Some people send their kids to day care, etc to teach them things.
Others are very comfortable teaching kids all they need to know
themselves. I honestly don't see any problem teaching them to fly. I'm
offering them a plane and my time for free. If they decided they wanted
someone else to teach them, they'll have to work extra shifts at the
McD's.
No, if it were my wife, it would be a very different story. I still
can't make her understand that there is a middle ground between rolling
through a stop sign and sitting for 30 seconds at the sign. I just
sit quite and think of something else.

-Robert, CFI

My Dad tought me to fly 27 years ago.

He bought a Luscombe 8E with 115 Hp on floats to teach me when I was about 15.
We worked diligently on this 2 or 3 days a week for the whole year.

About 2 months before my 16th birthday my Mom died and put the family in turmoil.
I went away to boarding schol and soloed about 3 weeks after my 16th with a local instructior in a 150.
My dad must have done a good job because the instructor soloed me after three hours in the 150.
(Prior to the 3 hours in the 150 I'd never landed a land plane)

Having my dad teach me to fly was one of the fondest memories I have of my child hood.

Take you time and start well before they are old enough to solo so you have an
outside force (their age) rather than your judgement holding them back from Solo.
(They can't argue with the age, they can argue with the judgement)


My dad is now in his late seventies and no longer flies,
but two years ago I rented the club cardinal and flew him from Souther CA back to Osh
it was fun and brought back warm memories.

My (then ) 17 year old son met us in Osh and flew back with us.
I did not carry on the tradition of teaching my son to fly, he just is not bitten
by the airplane bug. Our big father/son project was rebuilding a 67 mustang convertable
from the gorund up.





Paul

Robert M. Gary wrote:
My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are
old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions
would be appreciated.


Don't worry about it. Uncle Sam will loan them a T-38. You've probably
paid for one by now, anyway. Just tell 'em to stay in school and go USAF.


Jack