My home airport had a crash this morning

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
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Grumman-581 wrote:
Pilot seemed OK before deadly crash

But seemed rather unresponsive afterwards? sick-grin

I don't know weather to laugh with you or scold you, since I'm not the
scolding type. g

The Monk


86CE was sold to the new owners last year by Coca Cola Enterprises based out
of Atlanta, GA to replace with newer Excels. The co-pilot, Andy Garret was a
friend of mine. I have flown in this same aircraft with him. Andy was a VERY
SAFE pilot. In fact he was known to be too safe on his landings (slow
approaches). Andy went with the deal because he was facing lay-offs at CCE.
He was on his way for his check ride to gain single pilot rating on 506's.
It is rumored that he was to take over the plane as the company was
replacing the other pilot. Judging by the outcome of this tragic event, you
can read between the lines as to the reasons why the PIC was to be replaced.
We will not know for months what happened and who was really at the stick.
Regardless this is still tragic and our hearts should go out to everyone on
board and to their families. Please try to keep the jokes to yourselves.
Andy left behind his wife and young son that will never know his dad.

Larry Dighera wrote:

That would have had to occur within the temporal window of opportunity
bounded by the time the gear was extended and the time of impact, ...

According to several posts in this thread, the gear was never extended.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Larry wrote:
That would have had to occur within the temporal window of opportunity
bounded by the time the gear was extended and the time of impact

gear's up...

The Monk

Studnt172 wrote:
_____________________
86CE was sold to the new owners last year by Coca Cola Enterprises
based out
of Atlanta, GA to replace with newer Excels. The co-pilot, Andy Garret
was a
friend of mine. I have flown in this same aircraft with him. Andy was a
VERY
SAFE pilot. In fact he was known to be too safe on his landings (slow
approaches). Andy went with the deal because he was facing lay-offs at
CCE.
He was on his way for his check ride to gain single pilot rating on
506's.
It is rumored that he was to take over the plane as the company was
replacing the other pilot. Judging by the outcome of this tragic event,
you
can read between the lines as to the reasons why the PIC was to be
replaced.
We will not know for months what happened and who was really at the
stick.
Regardless this is still tragic and our hearts should go out to
everyone on
board and to their families. Please try to keep the jokes to
yourselves.
Andy left behind his wife and young son that will never know his dad.
____________________

Wow, that is tragic.

The Monk

It seems that the gear was down.
A ground observer and the online flight recording link both seemed to indicate a very high approach speed.

Is it posssible that a frozen/ plugged or partially plugged pitot tube could have caused an excesive approach speed?

I've been flying for more than 25 years and the scariest event I ever had has a frozen static port in marginal weather.



Paul

According to a local newspaper the gear was extended.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006...1_02_281_26_06
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George Patterson wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:

That would have had to occur within the temporal window of opportunity
bounded by the time the gear was extended and the time of impact, ...

According to several posts in this thread, the gear was never extended.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong
to your slightly older self.

--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com

Larry wrote:
That would have had to occur within the temporal window of opportunity
bounded by the time the gear was extended and the time of impact

gear's up...

The Monk

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:32 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in ErrCf.1962$oo1.1321@trnddc02::

According to several posts in this thread, the gear was never extended.

Later news articles reported:


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...m26cessna.html
Investigators did determine that the jet's landing gear was down
after the crash, and that its "thrust reversers," used to slow the
jet, were stowed.

wrote:

It seems that the gear was down.
A ground observer and the online flight recording link both seemed to indicate a very high approach speed.

Is it posssible that a frozen/ plugged or partially plugged pitot tube could have caused an excesive approach speed?

I've been flying for more than 25 years and the scariest event I ever had has a frozen static port in marginal weather.

GPS provides a ground speed that is a backup for the airspeed
indicator (accounting for winds)

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:

GPS provides a ground speed that is a backup for the airspeed
indicator (accounting for winds)

Given varying winds aloft and differences between true and indicated
airspeeds, I would be very careful in using groundspeed as a backup.
Personally I would not be comfortable using it while approaching to land.

--
Peter