Two 14 year old boys steal plane and then crash

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Well, there ya go. The "do-gooder" is setting themselves up for a civil
suit for wrongful arrest. Had it been me, I'm afraid I'd have gone to
jail for assault and battery on the jerk for interferring with my
parenting skills. Yeh I know, that sounds like a godawful attitude and
a real butthead.

Yeah...it sure does. Sounds like martial skills, not parenting skills.

But, my kids still say "Yes Sir" and "No Ma'm",and
hold doors open for people, and show respect for people.

See my post to Grumman-581.

How they act
privately is open for speculation but I think I'd still bet on my kids
being respectful of others and their property.
Are people afraid to demand some societal respect and behaviour? Well
somebody better get their act together or we're all gonna go down in
flames.

I'm an active flight instructor and to no surprise, my students still
address me as "Sir" without any demands to do so. I'd like to delude
myself into thinking its out of respect? The majority of them are young
officers in the Navy or Marine Corps.

My son (never hit, etc) is a USN LT (jg) and he would. He was taught WHY
courtesty and good manners are a good deal (it's reciprocal). Infer from
that what you will.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?

As played by James Dean?

A little perusal of history would show that your plaint is probably as old
as written history and draws the same incorrect conclusion.

I recall a piece about "Kids Today" that was written in ancient Rome.

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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Oh, don't get me wrong... I am not saying I disagree with your philosophy
in the least. However, I have seen the oddest behaviors from
"do-gooders"
in this useless state.

For instance...

While in a blockbuster video, a kid (about age 5) was being a major pain
and the parent swatted the kid on the rear while in the store. Another
person came up and "detained" them until the police showed up. True
story
which I personally observed.

"This is my .45... This is your brain scattered across the videos... Any
questions?"

If you leave bruises, it could be viewed at abuse... Red marks left on the
butt don't count... Slapping the kid in the face is not really acceptable
though... Hell, what do you think that butts evolved for? Sitting?
Nawh...

I remember each of my kids throwing one tantrum in a store/restaurant/public
place. ONCE.

They were not hit, or slapped, or spanked.

They we're picked up by the belt, or whatever I could get ahold of, and
carried out of the place. Like RIGHT NOW!

It's like that TRUTH troll/puke -- you give into their tantrums once and
they've got you by the booboo until you teach them otherwise.

Sometimes that _otherwise_ never happens, and sometimes it doesn't happend
until he kid is 12-14-16 and it's virtually impossible to stop.

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Matt
Do you have any kids?

See other post.

Are they all you'd like them to be?

Definitely.

Can they
survive in a society without rules or demands for certain levels of
behaviour?

I think so...they're doing pretty good so far.


I suppose I could talk my kids to death and feel good that I'd
counseled them to the point of correct behaviour only to have to do it
again when they decided to argue the point while they misbehaved.

You can't start when they're 8 or 10, or 12. You do it from birth.

I can see this is a pointless argument with liberal attitudes. You can
raise your kids the way you see fit, and I'll raise mine the way I see
fit.

It has nothing to do with liberal attitudes, it has to do with THINKING, not
being a thug and expecting your kid NOT TO BE. It comes from realizing your
kids can think from the time their two years old...if you TEACH THEM HOW,
and you know how yourself.

When my kids go to war to support our way of life,and yours stay
at home doing "their thing",

My oldest in in the NAVY...a JG, you ****-for-brains!

GFY moron!

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Then perhaps you can understand my position? Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?

I'm with ya on this one Rocky. I've asked the same thing in one of my
earlier posts. IIRC I was commenting on the suspected "reality
disconnect" that it seems many kids have today.

Maybe because that learend that from their parents.

It's called SUBJECTIVITY.

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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The fact that the thief of the aircraft was his son does not negate the
fact that the aircraft was stolen and damaged. As an aircraft owner
myself, I have confidence that this aircraft will be covered by the
owner's
insurance policy.

So, they'll pay off to the father on the stolen aircraft and then sue the
son for the damage that he did to it... Since the son is a minor, the
father
would have to pay it... Never underestimate the limits the insurance
companies will go to to keep from paying out or getting their money
back...

Do they do that when kids steal daddy's car and wreck it?

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Then perhaps you can understand my position?

Sure do, although not knowing the details of this stolen aircraft, I am
unable to judge whether anyone was actually dodging responsibility.
Perhaps the boys will come forward, admit full responsibility, and request
the fullest penalty of the law as a response for their very stupid action?

Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?

In cases such as this? Probably poor parenting. I have three young boys
ages 8, 6, and 1. Through my (and my wife's) actions and words, the older
are consistently taught responsibility, decency, and respect for
authority.

They are absolutely held to a high standard and are accountable for every
one of their actions through swift discipline. My effective tool is more
a
loud voice and removal of privileges rather than physical threat, although
in one memorable case even that was needed early on to stop some harmful
behavior, which it immediately did.

Sounds like your wife knew my wife.

Mine are 26, 23, and 20 and I'd stack them against all comers.

When my oldest was just short of two, he tried to grab christmas lights off
the tree. My wife grabbed him, said (softly) "No, it's hot" then took his
hand and quickly touched the light to show what _hot_ meant. He never did it
again (though he did take the hollow plastic ornaments off and fill them
with water). :~)

Kids comprehend a hell of a lot more than most people realize. Now, if only
adults would comprehend things other than base thuggery.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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The fact that the thief of the aircraft was his son does not negate the
fact that the aircraft was stolen and damaged. As an aircraft owner
myself, I have confidence that this aircraft will be covered by the
owner's
insurance policy.

So, they'll pay off to the father on the stolen aircraft and then sue the
son for the damage that he did to it... Since the son is a minor, the
father
would have to pay it... Never underestimate the limits the insurance
companies will go to to keep from paying out or getting their money
back...

Do they do that when kids steal daddy's car and wreck it?


No and they won't do it in this case either.

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hHFG
Cheers and Semper Fi
Rocky

You're probably a damn fine instructor, but....

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Have you ever tried to make a claim in such a case? Trust me... the
insurance companies will use vague terms and take you to the mat and
you'll spend thousands of dollars to get what you thought you were
paying for in coverage.

Coincidentally, I am awaiting a call back today from my insurance broker
about some non-accident related issues.

With this accident in mind, I will pose this scenario to him and ask him,
based on his forty or so years in the aircraft insurance business, whether
the damages in this case would be covered by my policy, had it occurred to
me.

I do agree with you that the details are in the small print, but logically
I am not able to perceive what defense an insurance company would use to
avoid paying this claim.

--
Peter