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  #31  
Old April 30th 06, 10:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Japan has two cities that were bombed with very dirty bombs
[because they were so inefficient and large]. They seem to
live there very well today.

As for contaminating the oil fields or even all of Iran,
modern bombs are very small and have little heavy metal. It
would be much better if Iran would cooperate, so far they
have rejected all offers. They have been shown as willing
to send huge numbers of children into battle to die.

Iran chose to build their nuclear plants under their cities
population centers as protection. Iran does not consider
other population centers as "targets off limits" so why
should the USA grant them a sanctuary?

I'm sure that military planners have located critical
targets and have planned the best and least destructive
methods for eliminating the threat presented. Or we can
wait for the rest of the world to arm so it will be a really
big war. Waiting works very well, it worked for Hitler.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
news | On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:38:39 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Would it be better to wait a few months or years for the
| religious fanatics to have a dozen or even hundred
nuclear
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| there are already some fanatics with nukes at hand. And I
become more
| afraid about them using those nukes every day.
|
| weapons and the missiles needed to strike 1,000 miles or
| more? Almost all of Europe would be targeted and then
the
| world could have a two-sided nuclear war. France, Italy,
|
| you see Europeans freaking out like you (many Americans)
do?
|
| Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The
USA
|
| well, I couldn't care less for Israel (as a nation),
still, they are all
| human beings.
|
| might be safe from direct missile attack, but if you know
| what will happen, why wait for the final step?
|
| We can use conventional bombs, but we also need to be
sure
| that the underground factories are destroyed and they
were
| designed to be hardened, nukes will do the job.
|
| you first have to find a solution how you then can bring
out the oil after
| you have contaminated a good part of OUR world (note: it
is not _yours_
| alone).
|
| How easy it got and people couldn't care less about the
death of a
| gazillion human beings ... *shudder*
|
| #m
| --
| "We're out of toilet paper sir!"
|
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  #32  
Old April 30th 06, 10:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:35:33 -0400, John wrote:

The federal government hasn't banned
MTBE outright (some individual states have) but will not protect oil
companies from MTBE lawsuits so MTBE is being phased out by next week in
most places.


I think you have to make that *all* places. There may be some MTBE
still being pumped out of the ground, but nobody is going to
manufacture it because Congress did not renew the immunity to
liability that companies previously had. Nobody wants to repriese the
asbestos liability monster.

My local airport was so fussy about mogas that it found a dealer in
Maine that would deliver mogas without MTBE. I don't know what will
happen to the mogas pump. I understand that there's a huge problem
about ethanol in that it can't be stored for long periods of time or
sent over long distances because water will cause the ethanol to
separate out (funny, I thought that that was why we put alcohol in our
gasoline in New Hampshire, to get the water to meld with the fuel). I
don't see how ethanol mix can sit in the ground for months or a year
without suffering the same fate. The airport just doesn't sell that
much mogas.

Or maybe non-MTBE, non-ethanol gasoline will still be available in
Maine?


- all the best, Dan Ford

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  #33  
Old April 30th 06, 10:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:12:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

But there is a shortage of alcohol so when they
run out of E85 they can't sell straight gasoline.


Worse, you can't send the mix through pipelines for long distances, as
I understand it, meaning that NE states have to scramble.

While all this goes on, there is a tarrif of 51 cents a gallon on
imported ethanol! You might ask your congressman about that....


- all the best, Dan Ford

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Old April 30th 06, 10:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:12:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

second nuke IRAN so that
the uncertainty about the future supply will go away.


Well, that was more or less the theory about the invasion of Iraq,
which is still pumping less than it did before the invasion. In other
words, the war exacerbted the shortage instead of allieviating it.


- all the best, Dan Ford

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Old April 30th 06, 10:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Except the USA is not run by lunatics and we have avoided
blowing up the world for 60 years. We and the Russians
sought a life on Earth, the leaders in Iran seek a life in
the after-life, that's what makes them lunatics.
The United States has all types of weapons. Since a weapon
can be used as a tool, a weapon and even entertainment
[fireworks] it all depends on how they are used.

Obviously you are not the governor of Arizona, yet you are
using a return address that isn't munged, it is stolen.
Is this you?
Airport Directory - Homepage the directory for general
aviation ... The contents of this internet site are owned
and controlled by hotze.com Martin Hotze. hotze.com Martin
Hotze reserves all intellectual property rights. ...
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--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.



"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:05:23 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Iran is run by lunatics and they are threatening to blow
up
| the world while they are actively enriching uranium ore.
| Why wait longer?
|
|
| The USA is run by lunatics and they are threatening to
blow up
| the world [1] while they are actively enriching uranium
ore. [2]
| Why wait longer?
|
|
| You see: every coin has 2 sides.
|
| #m
|
| [1] the official plan for using nukes is not defense any
longer, they might
| also be used for a preemptive strike, check the white
house website
| [2] you (the USA) have A B and C weapons.
| --
| "We're out of toilet paper sir!"
|
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Old April 30th 06, 10:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 29 Apr 2006 11:43:11 -0700, "Doug"
wrote:

Yes, it is possible to buy mogas without ethanol or any of the other
additives. The self serve pumps at Platte Valley in Colorado have it.
They buy it from the refiner.


The additives are mandated in the southern three counties of New
Hampshire (where the population is, and proximity to Massachusetts).
The rest of the state pumps real gasoline and presumably will continue
to do so. The same is true of Maine.

It is state law, not federal, that makes these rules. I believe there
is a Northeast compact between New York and the New England states on
the matter. Unsure what it takes to lift it, but note that the New
Hampshire legislature meets only one year out of two ...


- all the best, Dan Ford

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Old April 30th 06, 10:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I know very well, probably protecting your butt.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:49:11 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| The world also knows that we don't
| fight war to take territory.
|
| .. but to defend your very best interests.
|
| Since Viet Nam, we don't fight
| long wars.
|
| since WWII there was no official war, you never declared
war officialy
| since then. Check where your troops have been since WWII
..... :-/
|
| #m
| --
| "We're out of toilet paper sir!"
|
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Old April 30th 06, 10:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:49:31 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote:

you see Europeans freaking out like you (many Americans) do?

Germany, Russia, and Israel would all be attacked. The USA


well, I couldn't care less for Israel


Then you ought to understand why few Americans give a hoot about
Germany, Russia, France, and all that. "Distant countries about whom
we know little" as a British statesman once said.

- all the best, Dan Ford

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Old April 30th 06, 10:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:30:24 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

so why
should the USA grant them a sanctuary?


the USA has nothing to do there. No _actual_ threat, no declaration of war
from Iran, no attack from Iran, nothing - according to international law
that would justify an invasion (by US troops). Ah well .. wait a minute ..
you never gave sh*t on international law.

#m

Yes, I agree they (Iran) should be more cooperative etc.
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Old April 30th 06, 11:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:39:43 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Except the USA is not run by lunatics and we have avoided


I am not _that_ sure ...

blowing up the world for 60 years. We and the Russians
sought a life on Earth, the leaders in Iran seek a life in
the after-life, that's what makes them lunatics.
The United States has all types of weapons. Since a weapon
can be used as a tool, a weapon and even entertainment
[fireworks] it all depends on how they are used.


weapons are weapons are weapons.

Obviously you are not the governor of Arizona, yet you are


*wow* .. how wise. *clap* *clap* *clap*
And arizona.org is not owned by the state of Arizona. What now?

using a return address that isn't munged, it is stolen.


you are a freak. the return address works.
Are you out of arguments, idiot?
As you claim that I use a stolen address I say that you are a liar.

Is this you?


yes, it is me.

James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

^^^^^^^^^^

let's start flaming? oh well, I'd love to *ggggg*
you shouldn't train students or repair aircraft with YOUR mindset ... I'd
freak out knowing that somebody who want's to nuke other human beings is
teaching to survive (flying an aircraft).

#m
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