Busted TFR, what to expect?

In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert


Yes. I was on the east coast when 9/11 occured and twice heard
controllers telling pilots that they were "almost launched" on..meaning
they'd almost scrambled fighters on them. Makes you pay attention.
Ever since I haven't flown without giving FSS a call and asking for any
TFRs. Saved my butt a couple years ago. There was a TFR close enough
to the drop zone I fly for that if I had taken off I would have
violated. The TFR was for some wildland firefighting training that was
being done...I would have never expected one that morning.

The phone call only takes a couple of minutes.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?

Yes. I have gotten a briefing for EVERY SINGLE FLIGHT I have ever made in
the US, and for all but one in Canada and the Bahamas. I admit, I made one
local flight in the Bahamas without a briefing, but that's it.

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight, and there's a host
of other time-consuming things (fueling, driving to and from the airport,
sometimes a visit to the pilot shop, etc) surrounding my flying. An extra
10 minutes (though, usually it's only 5) to get a briefing is a no-brainer.

Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

If everyone knew he was coming, the TFR could have been assumed and no one
would have needed to check the NOTAMs. "He came stealth" is exactly why you
DO check NOTAMs.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight, and there's a host
of other time-consuming things (fueling, driving to and from the airport,
sometimes a visit to the pilot shop, etc) surrounding my flying. An extra
10 minutes (though, usually it's only 5) to get a briefing is a no-brainer.

I agree and I also spend a lot of time preparing for a flight.

Yesterday I took a GA-unfamiliar co-worker for a scenic flight over Niagara
Falls. After calling for a briefing, planning the fuel consumption, and
pre-flighting the aircraft, I gave him the "all-set" to climb aboard. He
turned to me and said, "Boy, you can't just gas-and-go with these things,
huh?"

--
Peter

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight

I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight

I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

Check nav lights and rotating beacon

Check electric fuel pump

Check flap operation

Sample fuel from each tank and from the gascalator

Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how
can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?).

Alternator belt is checked for freeplay

Inspect tires and brakes (including exposed lines)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71...
[...]
I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt
and connector".

You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient time
for a preflight inspection.

Jay Honeck wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight


I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...


A preflight before every flight? I don't think so. Once a day. Check
the stall warner? Every year at the annual.

Yep, every flight. It might be a difference in culture between younger
pilots like myself and people who have been flying longer. I did all
of my flight training after 9/11, and I trained in the LA basin, which
is somewhat busy. As a result, there was a bigger emphasis on checking
this stuff than my pilot friends who learned earlier.

Every single flight, I get a briefing to check for notams & TFRs. I do
most of my flying out in the boonies now, but I still call FSS. Heck,
I did pattern work the other day and still called 'em just to make
sure. It's a useful source of information, why not use the tools
available? I might not like the fact that these restrictions exist,
and I'll write a letter to my congressman, but with a couple minutes of
effort each flight, I can avoid being the guy waving to the F-16 off my
wing.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yep, every flight. It might be a difference in culture between younger
pilots like myself and people who have been flying longer. I did all
of my flight training after 9/11, and I trained in the LA basin, which
is somewhat busy. As a result, there was a bigger emphasis on checking
this stuff than my pilot friends who learned earlier.

Perhaps. But I started flying in 2000, and every instructor I worked with
already emphasized that a briefing for each flight was required in order to
be safe and legal.

--Gary

In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

Yes.

I always always always get a briefing before every single flight.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate