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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
kontiki wrote: Not doing this shows a lack of piloting skilss, sorry but thats the truth. It also shows a lack of spelling or typing skills. Sorry, but that's the truth. Wow, thanks for pointing that out, as you state, my typing skills are *essential* to the point of the post. |
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On 24 May 2006 19:57:34 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in . com:: Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? It would seem that those airmen who fail to check for TFRs before every flight are in violation of: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...1.3.10&idno=14 § 91.103 Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include— ... |
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![]() bob wrote: Should I bother filing the NASA ASRS form? Can't hurt can it? |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com... Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? Yes. The only flight I've ever piloted without getting a briefing first was my intro flight. Starting with the second lesson, my CFI had me get a briefing before every flight, and I've done so ever since. If the weather is obviously clear and calm, I may not bother to write down the briefing info, but I'll still get the briefing. At a minimum, I either take a minute to consult DUATS before leaving home or at the FBO, or else I talk to FSS for a minute while I'm walking across the ramp to the plane. Skipping the briefing would be like skipping a required part of the preflight inspection. --Gary |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. com... "bob" wrote in message oups.com... So what can I expect? I've already figured out that the Secret Service isn't going to arrest me. My biggest concern is what it will do to my insurance costs when I renew next year. Should I bother filing the NASA ASRS form? Since I'm a PP-ASEL and flying is a hobby, I don't otherwise care a lot if my license is suspended for a time or I end up with a record. Definitely fill out a NASA report. I agree. In addition to the protection from any enforcement action, it provides useful safety information to NASA, which is the primary reason for having the form. The couple of people I know that have busted TFRs (President not VP) have had nothing done other than a couple of questions. My experience, too (though not with TFRs) is that ATC is reluctant to take formal action with regard to inadvertent infringements that caused no harm. I don't see how insurance companies could care, you didn't cost them anything. Insurance companies ask about enforcement actions; they wouldn't ask if they didn't care. Presumably the reason they care is that an enforcement action shows that a pilot was unable or unwilling to follow a reasonable safety rule--which, in some future situation, could indeed cost the insurance company money. --Gary |
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I've had AOPA miss a few TFR notifications. Many times the VIP schedule
changes too quickly for AOPA reaction and sometimes TFR NOTAMS arrive after the VIP. BT "Bob Fry" wrote in message ... "JD" == John Doe writes: JD I had my first experience with a VIP TFR last weekend. Bush JD was in town and I had gotten an email from AOPA notifying me JD of the TFR in my area. Bush was in Sacto a few weeks ago and I too got the AOPA notification by email. Because of that, and checking the extent of that TFR, I decided not to risk it and simply didn't fly that weekend. But for the TFR I violated, I didn't get a notice from AOPA. Why, I'm not sure. And the local newspaper had nothing about Cheney's visit until afterwards so I didn't know he was in town. JD Luckily, I've learned to check NOTAMS prior to every flight, JD and following the procedures, the TFR didn't delay me at all JD in getting on my way. I rarely check NOTAMS or get a briefing for local VFR flights, and quite honestly I doubt I'll change my habits. The FAA should recognize that using NOTAMs alone are not enough. Maybe they should take email addresses and locations from pilots (kinda like AOPA) and send notices when a TFR is going to pop up in a given area. Maybe they could reserve a frequency just to broadcast important area NOTAMs. Pilots would get in the habit of checking it before takeoff and during flight. Maybe area NOTAMs could be added on to AWOS broadcasts. Something? |
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Still haven't heard anything from the FSDO, but not much time has
passed. I'll post with whatever they eventually flog me with, but in the meantime here's some comments on the comments: Q. Why would NOTAMs on another frequency or AWOS be easier to check than the current methods? A. Current methods require one to check a web page or make a phone call, an extra effort rather different from simply checking another frequency. It's not so much the time involved, but the relatively different task. Q. Are there pilots that really check before EVERY flight? A. Apparently so. And maybe I will join the ranks. But my computer isn't on all the time and being Windoze takes a while to boot. Dialing 1-800-WX-BRIEF isn't difficult, maybe they could have a recording just for major NOTAMs in the area (they already connect you to your regional FSS station based on your calling phone number). Q. Don't you check weather before every flight? A. X-country, yes, local, no. It's a California thing I guess...ya gotta live here a summer to understand. Q. How would an email notification work, they don't know what airport you're at? A. Similar to AOPA's system, the FAA would setup a web page where pilots voluntarily participating would submit their email address and location (either state, zip code, or airport ID) and they would receive emails for TFR and NOTAMs. This would help for the local flights where many pilots don't get a briefing. The point being, no single method will work, but an email notification system would be very cheap and relatively effective for those participating. We might as well recognize that for local VFR flights there are just a lot of pilots that don't get briefings, so why not reduce the number of TFR violations with a simple email system? BTW, there's an interesting report about TFR violations at http://www.volpe.dot.gov/opsad/docs/tfranalysis.pdf. Here's a statistic that caught my eye: "...2900 violations in the two years between June 2002 and June 2004 alone." Obviously the current system isn't working well. Why not be practical and implement additional notification methods to reduce the violation rate? |
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In rec.aviation.misc Jon A wrote:
Your punishment is to go dove hunting with Cheney next year. That'll teach ya! I'd rather go dove hunting with Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy! Best regards, Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!" -- Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jeratfrii.com http://users.frii.com/jer/ C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 240 Young Eagles! |
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bob wrote:
Obviously the current system isn't working well. Hypothetically querying, how is someone who admits to not checking TFRs capable of accurately commenting on the effectiveness of the system? -- Peter |
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![]() "Peter R." wrote in message ... bob wrote: Obviously the current system isn't working well. Hypothetically querying, how is someone who admits to not checking TFRs capable of accurately commenting on the effectiveness of the system? Divine revelation. |
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