Bose Headsets

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Those brands you mention are not your only options - just the most
expensive. For DC, you pay ridiculous amounts for the name and get a
technologically and ergonomically old headset. For Bose you pay for the


Your statement is just ridiculous. David Clark has unmatched quality,
durability, and customer service. While I think Bose does a great job
and makes an excellent headset, there is no way that the Bose headsets
will handle the abuse of a DC, nor have I heard reports of Bose being as
generous with repair/replacement as DC.

Having owned both DC and Bose headsets and had outstanding customer service
experience with both, I'd say the difference in customer service quality was
imperceptible to me. Both repaired headsets promptly with no charge, and
replaced other wear parts at the same time without prompting.

The difference in comfort and sound quality is noticeable, and I give the edge
to Bose. The DC I owned was not an ANR, however.

The Bose is way ahead of the Telex ANR I owned previously in both comfort and
quality.

Jonathan,

Your statement is just ridiculous. David Clark has unmatched quality,
durability, and customer service.

Not at all. On the contrary, yours is. You're perpetrating a clever
marketing myth. Let's see:

- customer service
Google this group and even this thread, and you'll find several reports
about DC charging absurd amounts of money for repairs, and several reports
about the new manufacturers, e.g. LightSpeed, being consistently extremely
generous.

- quality I
Most manufacturers have dramatically changed the form of their headsets and
use new, innovative materials - for sound ergonomic reasons. DCs look the
same since decades. And they are called David Clamps by many users for good
reason.

- quality II
In every comparison I've seen, the ANR of DC never comes out at the top.
Not compared to Bose, not compared to LS, not to Telex nor Sennheiser. If
you have other data, I'd be interested.

- value
As for pricing, just compare a simple passive headset from LS, Sennheiser
and DC. DC is the most expensive, by a huge margin. Same goes for ANR
models. For what do you pay this increased amount?

- durability
If you think you need to abuse a 500 to 1000 $ investment, go ahead and get
a DC. If you handle any headset halfway decently, you won't have a problem.
Even LS got over their initial problems years ago.

So, if the DCs don't shine in ANR, nor in ergonomics, nor in value - where
is my statement ridiculous?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:
Those brands you mention are not your only options - just the most
expensive. For DC, you pay ridiculous amounts for the name and get a
technologically and ergonomically old headset. For Bose you pay for the

Your statement is just ridiculous. David Clark has unmatched quality,
durability, and customer service.

If you don't mind a vice grip and cement block on top your head.

While I think Bose does a great job
and makes an excellent headset, there is no way that the Bose headsets
will handle the abuse of a DC, nor have I heard reports of Bose being as
generous with repair/replacement as DC.

I've had my Bose for four (going on five) years and have not have the
slightest glitch, not that I abuse anything I own.

FWIW, I've got the lightspeed 30-3G (yes they are bulky, but they work). DRE
put out a US made ANR Headset (not unlike the DC13.4 form factor) for around
US$279.00. They might not be the best (although I have read positive
reports), seem to be built like the proverbial Brick Sh#$%^thouse and you
cannot use price as an excuse for not going ANR. Might be worth a look

http://www.drecomm.com/6kservice.htm

Available from Avionics West IIRC.

Cheers,
Kevin


"RK Henry" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote:

My main complaint with the Bose is the price.

I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth
the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about
a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do
with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If
someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear
it.

RK Henry

RK Henry wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote:

My main complaint with the Bose is the price.

I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth
the extra money.

Because people pay it. G

Do I think my Bose X is WORTH $995? Not really.

Am I happy I bought them every time I use them? Absolutely.

After trying them for 30 days, I bent over, heald my cheeks, and kept
the headset, simply because I liked them enough to pay the price of
admission.

I've only tried my new Bose for one flight but I was impressed... I'll
just give them the $82 a month and be done with it before ya know it...

B A R R Y wrote:
RK Henry wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote:

My main complaint with the Bose is the price.


I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth
the extra money.


Because people pay it. G

Do I think my Bose X is WORTH $995? Not really.

Am I happy I bought them every time I use them? Absolutely.

After trying them for 30 days, I bent over, heald my cheeks, and kept
the headset, simply because I liked them enough to pay the price of
admission.

B A R R Y wrote:
RK Henry wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote:

My main complaint with the Bose is the price.

I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth
the extra money.

Because people pay it. G

Do I think my Bose X is WORTH $995? Not really.

Am I happy I bought them every time I use them? Absolutely.

After trying them for 30 days, I bent over, heald my cheeks, and kept
the headset, simply because I liked them enough to pay the price of
admission.

I agree. I resisted, because Bose audio equipment is such crap. But
the headsets are the best, and there's just no denying it. I broke
down and bought a set, and I haven't regretted it for an instant.
People comment about how much I paid and how much I must loooooooove my
headsets. But mostly, I don't even realize the things are on my head.
That's how comfortable they are.

-C.
--
Flight instructor training blog:
http://clumpinglitter.livejournal.com/

It seems all Bose items are more expensive, not just in aviation. RK,
depending on your age, your future hearing may depend on ANR. Granted,
that the non-ANR headsets are better than nothing, protect your hearing
the best you can. Before I bought ANRs (LightSpeed) I would cram in the
little foam ear plugs, then put on the headset. There were so many years
I flew with no headset.

Ross
KSWI

RK Henry wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote:


My main complaint with the Bose is the price.


I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth
the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about
a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do
with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If
someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear
it.

RK Henry

Kobra,

You are correct; the Bose are expensive... But their
let-you-use-their-money where they break the price up to 12 no interest
$82 payments was hard to pass up. I ordered the headset on early Monday
morning and it was at my house at 10:00 am on Tuesday!!

I got a chance to use them last night for the first time and I put them
on and the first thing I noticed is how easy they are to adjust. I
didn't notice a big difference in the passive noise reduction but as
soon as I pushed the ANR button it was like night and day... Very nice
ANR (even compared to my DC 20 10XL's). And as I was hoping, the
microphone was most excellent too... So far so good...

I'm planning on doing some more flying this weekend and try them out
some more... Yea the cell phone interface would be nice but whatch gonna
do...

Jon



Kobra wrote:
Jon,

My main complaint with the Bose is the price. Everytime I see the ad I feel
like I need to put on a chastity belt to protect my bung hole.

I've compared them to my Lightspeed 30-3G's and they are the same in noise
reduction, but the Bose are far superior in comfort and size. My second
complaint is that, for the money, you would think they would have music and
cell phone input. If you want that you have to go with a third party plug
for 90 to 100 bucks (assuming you don't own the PS Engineering PMA 8000B
also on my wish list).

I've just been waiting for that one feature to be added and that will be the
excuse I need to pardon Bose for financial sodomy.

Kobra



"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
.. .

I just broke down and ordered a Bose Aviation Headset X. I have been
wanting one for several years but 1 AMU is a lot of cash for a headset...
Then I remembered how deaf I am becomming adnd thought that this would be
the best protection for my non-renewable hearing.

I already have a set of David Clarks H20 10XL's and they work great so if
the Bose work better than I'll be tickled pink.

How many of you good folks fly with the Bose or have used them and give me
a PIREP. Thanks!!

Jon Kraus

"Kobra" wrote in message
news
Jon,

My main complaint with the Bose is the price. Everytime I see the ad I
feel like I need to put on a chastity belt to protect my bung hole.

I've compared them to my Lightspeed 30-3G's and they are the same in noise
reduction, but the Bose are far superior in comfort and size.

I own a pair of the Lightspeed 20-3G headsets which have been back to the
factory around 5 times since I bought them. When they work they do a good
job of noise reduction and are reasonably comfortable. Because of all the
problems I've had with them I decided this year to relagate them to the back
seat. At Sun n Fun I went shopping for a replacement set. My first stop was
the Bose tent. I tried on the headset and sat through the sales pitch. I had
planned on purchasing the Bose when I went there but decided to try some
others before I laid down my AMU's. After trying a number of different
headsets I found that for me the Bose headsets did not have any better noise
reduction or sound quality. I also did not find them to be as comfortable as
the Senheiser headsets I wound up purchasing for half the price. I've been
using the Senheisers since SNF and man am I glad I bought them. The passive
reduction is much better than the Lightspeeds and the ANR works great. I
haven't flown with the Bose so I can't compare them but I can't imagine they
could be worth double the money.