23 July OSH accident audio

RST Engineering wrote:

That may well be, but Fisk has strobes, controllers under a beach umbrella,
railroad tracks, and grass. You proceed from Ripon to Fisk, not from RIPON
to FISKE.

Explain that to the NOTAM-clueless pilot made famous in the ATC MP3 file
posted previously.

"Should I program FISKE into my GPS after RIPON?"


--
Peter

The reason for the closure.
Yeah, but why?

So pilots can evaluate their bag of alternate plans with an eye to which
would be more appropriate.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

Steven,

When aircraft are instructed to hold they're supposed to be issued a time
when they can proceed beyond the holding point. ATC obviously couldn't
know
how long the airport would be closed, but they did know why it was closed
and issuing that information would have given pilots an idea how long the
delay would be.


So the pilots would have known what the controllers didn't? How?


Apparently you missed the last sentence.



Really professional controllers do these things not just
because they're required, but also because it's good procedure.


To imply that the OSH controllers are anything but professional is
ridiculous.


Why?

Jose,

So pilots can evaluate their bag of alternate plans with an eye to which
would be more appropriate.


Ok, let's assume the controller knows there's an accident AND they have the
time and free mind capacity to say it on the frequency. Then what? For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Neither. You proceed from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about 500
yards east of the beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks. Have
you ever flown the approach during the show?

Jim



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Would you care to bet a whole bunch of paper with old dead mens' pictures
on them that FISKE is not directly over the aforementioned beach
umbrella?


Do you proceed from Ripon to Fisk, or do you proceed from Ripon to beach
umbrella?

Ok, let's assume the controller knows there's an accident AND they have the
time and free mind capacity to say it on the frequency. Then what? For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.

No, but now the pilots, knowing more than before, can make their own
evalutions.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Bob Gardner wrote:
My point was that listening to audio or viewing video does nothing to help
Joe Sixpack avoid similar accidents.


It's just curiosity.
You never look when you drive past an accident scene?

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

Ok, let's assume the controller knows there's an accident AND they have
the
time and free mind capacity to say it on the frequency.


What's "free mind capacity"?



Then what?


Then pilots have an idea how long the airport will be closed.



For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.


That info gives pilots of average or better intelligence an idea of how long
the airport will be closed. Then they can decide if they're better off
continuing to hold or diverting to another airport and coming back later.

We know for a fact that any mishap, be it a gear up landing incident or a
real accident that the field will be closed anywhere from half an hour to a
couple of hours. There are a dozen or so airports within spitting distance
of Ripon, and I'd sure prefer to be sitting at one of them monitoring 120.7
than boring holes around Rush or Green Lake, burning up fuel and wasting
engine time. Not to mention the very real chance of a midair in that
gaggle. Just say that there has been an aircraft mishap on the field and
I'll peel off of the inbound right now.

That's all we need -- just a little information and we can deal with it as
we see fit.

Jim




For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to
clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.


That info gives pilots of average or better intelligence an idea of how
long the airport will be closed. Then they can decide if they're better
off continuing to hold or diverting to another airport and coming back
later.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Neither. You proceed from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about
500 yards east of the beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks.

Not according to the Fisk VFR arrival procedure as published in the 2006
AirVenture NOTAM. Do you advocate ignoring the published procedure by all
pilots, or just those with 5000+ flight hours?



Have you ever flown the approach during the show?


No. Have you ever flown the approach as published during the show?