The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving
from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005
capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below.
(Note that these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating
subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff..._histories/med
ia/grants_2005.pdf




A quick look at this report for airports I'm personally familiar with
shows that you have no comprehension whatsoever of what you are talking
about.

Several of the airports listed as GA are served by air freight
carriers such as FedEx, which operate under Part 91, which governs GA.

One interesting entry is for Moffett Field, formerly a Navy base. It
is listed as GA but it is not open to the public. It's use is pretty much
NASA and air freight from Lockheed. When POTUS comes to the area, it is
used by Air Force One.

Sacramento Mather, formerly an Air Force base, listed as R, is where
air freight to the Sacremento area was moved to from Sacramento
International.

Other "GA" airports receiving grants are CDF (California Department of
Forestry) fire bomber bases.

Many of the environmental studies being funded by the AIP grants are
mandated by the federal government.

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"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
No amount of actual data or reasoning will ever convince private pilots
that the paltry couple of hundred million dollars generated by AV gas
taxes per year doesn't cover the cost of the grants and FAA services
absorbed by GA.

I'm glad you used the term absorbed, rather than consumed.

My point is that the expenses are incurred primarily for the benefit of
airlines. A new runway eight feet thick was not designed with a Piper
Cherokee in mind, yet you feel the Cherokee is expected just as much to use
that runway as the 747 it was designed for.


For a group that likes to consider itself technical and scientific-minded,
this is astonishing. (Well, actually not, based on the other nonsense put
out by some GA groups on safety, cost, convenience, etc.)

When the data presented is factually wrong (ORH is not a GA airport, neither
is Westover AFB or Barnes), what do you expect when people call for 'GA
paying it's fair share'?

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
No fallacy.

The grants for airports listed as GA can all be considered to benefit GA
only. "R" airports are also largely GA (some that I know almost
exclusively GA). Make conservative assumptions about how much of the
grants are for GA.

No they can't. As I showed earlier South Arkansas Airport at Goodwin Field
(search he document for 'South Arkansas') is listed as GA but has several
scheduled flight a day.

"RK Henry" wrote in message
...


GA - General Aviation airport: No scheduled commercial service and not
CS. Typically 1 per county in rural areas. Average 33 based aircraft.
Home for 40% of GA fleet. Received $540.2 million in grants.


Then there is at least one mistake in the document because it lists the
grants received by South Arkansas Regional Airport as "GA" and we have
scheduled service

In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Westover Air Reserve Base, aka Westover Metropolitan Airport, hasn't been an
Air Force Base since 1974.

However, Westover sure isn't a GA-only airport.

--
Bob Noel
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lawyers will hate

In article gPDOg.488$HZ5.421@trndny08,
"Steve Foley" wrote:

When the data presented is factually wrong (ORH is not a GA airport, neither
is Westover AFB or Barnes), what do you expect when people call for 'GA
paying it's fair share'?

Why feed the troll?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ies/media/gran
ts_2005.pdf

Why single out GA in the first place? What about subsidies for bicycle
lanes? When the Dumbarton Bridge was built across San Francisco Bay,
they spent $4 million to install bicycle lanes, which may get two or
three bicycles a week using them.

Tell you what, Loon: Cut out all the rest of the "unnecessary"
subsidies, then let's talk about GA subsidies.

Orval Fairbairn wrote in
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In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving
from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005
capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below.
(Note that these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating
subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...histories/medi
a/gran ts_2005.pdf

Why single out GA in the first place? What about subsidies for bicycle
lanes? When the Dumbarton Bridge was built across San Francisco Bay,
they spent $4 million to install bicycle lanes, which may get two or
three bicycles a week using them.

Tell you what, Loon: Cut out all the rest of the "unnecessary"
subsidies, then let's talk about GA subsidies.

Why stop at transportation?

Perhaps we should have User Fees for the Welfare system?

Judah wrote:
snip

Why stop at transportation?

Perhaps we should have User Fees for the Welfare system?

You're forgetting, the poor people who use welfare can't help
themselves, whereas we pilots are filthy rich and can pay.

You know, I really wonder why someone which such hatred for GA posts in
a group like this.

Impact and wear due to heavy vehicles is DRAMATICALLY caused almost
exclusively by the heavy vehicles. If it was just cars on the road, the
damage to the road due to cars would be miniscule. It all comes from
heavy trucks and busses.

Much the same is true with runways and planes. The heavy planes do most
of the damage and require strong expensive runways. Light GA planes do
not need much in the way of pavement reinforcement.

For that matter most light GA aircraft don't need towers.

Still the guy has a point. The small, strickly GA airports get
subsidized. Having an airport is a point of pride in a community and
there is a safety aspect so far as medical transport goes. But maybe
raising the aviation fuel tax would be appropriate here, trying to get
GA to pay it's way.

There is a LOT of pork in almost all aspects of our economy. It's
downright scary. GA is getting govt subsidy, that is true.