Brazil 737-Embraer Crash

Matt Whiting wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


James Robinson wrote:


First, they are not being detained. The government is holding their
passports so they can't leave the country. The US would probably do
the same if a foreign national was involved in an such a major
incident under suspicious circumstances.

They aren't being detained, but they can't leave. Do you know what
detain means?


Slight legal distinction. Michael Jackson wasn't considered as
detained when he was awaiting trial, but he did have to surrender his
passport.

In this case, the pilots aren't in the slammer in Sao Paulo, and are
free to travel around Brazil, but cannot leave the country. I
consider detained as being in the custody of the police.

I didn't see "custody of the police" in the dictionary definition.

Matt


So you consider that Michael Jackson was detained?

Having viewed the image of the damage to the Legacy, one wonders how the
737 could have been so badly damaged as to be unflyable.

I haven't seen anything, but from what I've heard, if the wing managed
to sever the tail, that would send the plane vertically down. Can it be
done that way? How strong is a 737 tail?

Jose
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A few questions:

Does anyone know if the transponder switch positions (on vs off) are
recorded by the FDR? Can it be proven that the transponder was switched off?

Is the Brazilian gov't making a claim that the Legacy transponder was
off based soley on lack of reception by the ATC? (possible antenna
problem on new Legacy plane, or poor reception at ATC?)

What about the claim the Legacy was cleared to FL 370 and was then
ordered to descend to 360? If this is true would not a FL of 370 have
been an ATC error to begin with, based on the NW direction of flight path?

Could the metric system have played a part in the incorrect FL? Could
the Legacy pilots have been confused about appropriate odd vs even FL
for the route they were flying in southern hemisphere?

Finally, for what possible reason (speculation) would the Legacy pilots
have wanted to switch off the transponder on the maiden flight? Would
they have been acceptance testing the plane in various modes/altitudes
that would have been "inconveniant" to schedule with ATC? I note that an
Embraer executive was supposedly aboard, perhaps keen to get a sign off
on a $25 million plane. Purely speculation on my part.

wrote:

James Robinson wrote:


"Kobra" wrote:


The wreckage is scattered over a wide area, suggesting a breakup.



If that is true it may indicate that the wingtip of the embraer took
off the vertical stab of the 737 which would cause it to yaw out of
control and break up much like the Airbus A310 did in New York when it
lost its vertical stab...

Dean




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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:HNeVg.1700

Pulling your passport without filing charges is taking one hostage in my
book.

But your book is not what they're going by. The only things that matter are
the laws of the Federative Republic of Brazil, regardless of the citizenship
of the principals involved.

So far in this thread we have rank speculation over factors of an accident
the investigation of which has barely begun, and broadbrush opinions on the
legal standing of investigative procedures of a foreign sovereign nation.
The whole thread is nothing but mental masturbation.

**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** wrote:

A few questions:

Does anyone know if the transponder switch positions (on vs off) are
recorded by the FDR? Can it be proven that the transponder was
switched off?

Is the Brazilian gov't making a claim that the Legacy transponder was
off based soley on lack of reception by the ATC? (possible antenna
problem on new Legacy plane, or poor reception at ATC?)

The investigators have reported that ATC lost contact with the aircraft,
both from the transponder and by voice radio. One report said that the
crew might have changed to the wrong frequency when handed off between
centers. The transponder supposedly started working again after the
collision.

Beyond that, anything is simply speculation.