"Why was a plane able to fly over New York?"

Well, for starters it's published, and publically available. Secondly,
I've flown a lot around Paris and France in general. I admit I haven't
flown in Germany, but I do go to Munich several time a year and the
skies over that city are hardly buzzing with light aircraft (like zero)
so perhaps it's more restrictive than you make it sound?


Berlin has the only restricted area over a big city in Germany. It is
limited to the very center of the administration. So it is exactly as
non-restrictive as I make it sound.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"RK Henry" wrote in message
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On 12 Oct 2006 21:14:15 -0700, "AJ" wrote:

Just to add to the fun, the New York Daily News (which used to be a
decent paper) has as its headline -- in big bold letters: "IT FELT LIKE
SEPT. 11TH." Please! I was in the Trade Center, lost many friends, and
was right across the street when the first tower started to collapse.
If I do go around crying "SEPTEMBER 11" every time something goes
wrong, I don't think these uptown wussies should, either.

A new phrase to replace the old standard, "It was like a war zone!"

It was sheer pandilerium!!

Recently, Morgans posted:

"Greg Farris" wrote

This is the first GA crash into
a NYC skyscraper I'm aware of (correct me if I'm mistaken) and only
the second accidental crash of any plane into a NYC skyscraper.

How about the crash of a B-25 into the Empire State building, in the
40's?

I thought that *was* the second one Greg referred to. Is there a 3rd?

Neil

Morgans wrote:

This is the first GA crash into
a NYC skyscraper I'm aware of (correct me if I'm mistaken) and only the
second accidental crash of any plane into a NYC skyscraper.

How about the crash of a B-25 into the Empire State building, in the 40's?

I'm fairly certain a B-25 isn't a GA craft.

RFM
http://www.cyclelicio.us/

The one that hit the Empire State Building was military, but
many B25 were sold and converted to executive travel
aircraft before the production of new factory cabin class
airplanes.


Look for a old movie with James Garner, CASH McCall.



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| Morgans wrote:
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| This is the first GA crash into
| a NYC skyscraper I'm aware of (correct me if I'm
mistaken) and only the
| second accidental crash of any plane into a NYC
skyscraper.
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| How about the crash of a B-25 into the Empire State
building, in the 40's?
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| I'm fairly certain a B-25 isn't a GA craft.
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| RFM
| http://www.cyclelicio.us/
|

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Paris for sure is Class A to the ground.


The IFR approach (for small airplanes) for Toussous-les-Nobles leads
right across the Eiffel tower and ends near Versailles...

The center of Berlin is a restricted area after an ultralight pilot
commited suicide with his plane on the lawn in front of what amounts to
the German version of the House of Congress. The f***ing self-centered
idiot...

There has always been a very small prohibited area in that just barely
encompasses the White House and the Capitol (our legislature) and the
area in between them (mostly the mall, museums, and memorials). This
is inside the surface area of the class B, which has an additional
"Flight Restricted Zone" around it plus the ADIZ.


We had a guy crash a 152 into the a tree on the White House lawn and
while it caused some amount of consternation, it didn't end up in any
rules changes. At the time this happened, the new Denver International
airport was way behind schedule on it's opening date, leading to the
joke:
"What's the difference between the White House and Denver
International?"

"Planes land at the White House."

Emily wrote:

Front page of Yahoo right now, followed by, "A tragic small plane crash
brings to light a surprising fact."

It's truly saddening that everyone seems to be resorting to
anti-GA-speak. Why would a plane NOT be able to fly over New York? Was
there a rule I wasn't aware of? Does New York have a way of traffic
reporting that doesn't involved aircraft? Do they not allow helicopters
into downtown hospitals? I have no problem with the media reporting the
facts, but this makes me angry.
I live in Milano (Italy) slightly over 1 million population, where overfly
of city area is prohibited.
We have got only one building in the center worth to be called skyscraper.
Not long ago someone managed to punch a hole right in the middle of it with
a Rockwell Commander. Things like this can happen. But even if they do not
happen realize that people who don't fly airplanes usually just hate them.

Thomas Borchert writes:

And prohibiting flying over NY would stop terrorists exactly how?

It wouldn't. But the people doing the prohibiting wouldn't know
that--or wouldn't care.

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Greg Farris writes:

Many cities in the world do not allow GA flight anywhere near, and many do
not allow commercial overflight either (usually for noise abatement
considerations). To allow it, one would have to submit that the risk to
benefit ratio is favorable.

It used to be forbidden to overfly Paris. Ironically, not long after
9/11, the government authorized overflight, although it's still rare.

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Greg Farris writes:

Many cities in the world do not allow GA flight anywhere near, and many do
not allow commercial overflight either (usually for noise abatement
considerations). To allow it, one would have to submit that the risk to
benefit ratio is favorable.

It used to be forbidden to overfly Paris. Ironically, not long after
9/11, the government authorized overflight, although it's still rare.



Utter nonsense.
It's never been "forbidden" for IFR operations to overfly Paris.
It's "always" been forbidden for VFR operations to penetrate Paris' Class "A".
None of this changed after 9/11. The only thing that changed at that time was
that the only VFR corridor anywhere near Paris (over LeBourget Airport) was
closed - probably forever.