Light twins not using contra-rotating propellers

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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So if they had a choice between two otherwise identical aircraft, with
identical prices, they'd just flip a coin to choose between the one
with P-factor and torque and the one without?


I'd take the "P" factor airplane. It helps in controlling the airplane in
certain circumstances.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

Neil Gould writes:

On your salary? You must be joking.

How many people here have bought their own Barons on their salaries?

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Steve Foley writes:

When you approach stop, a bicycle will fall over to one side or the other.
(unless yours still has training wheels).

As long as the rear wheel is powered and both wheels have traction,
the bicycle cannot fall over. The usual reasons for a bicycle falling
over are a loss of traction or a complete absence of propulsive power
to the rear wheel.

Exactly the same principle applies to motorcycles, scooters, etc.

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karl gruber writes:

I'd take the "P" factor airplane. It helps in controlling the airplane in
certain circumstances.

Hmm ... what sort of circumstances? It just seems like a nuisance to
me.

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Steve Foley writes:

When you approach stop, a bicycle will fall over to one side or the other.
(unless yours still has training wheels).

As long as the rear wheel is powered and both wheels have traction,
the bicycle cannot fall over. The usual reasons for a bicycle falling
over are a loss of traction or a complete absence of propulsive power
to the rear wheel.

Exactly the same principle applies to motorcycles, scooters, etc.



And what, precisely, do you expect the "propulsive power" to be accomplishing
if the bicycle is stopped?

Do we reject, then, the notion that the gyroscopic stability provided by the
wheels in motion helps to keep the bicycle upright? It is only a question of
"propulsive power" available to the rear wheel (specifically) while both wheels
must have "traction". As long as this is present the bicycle "cannot" fall
over.

Have I resumed your argument correctly?

Mxsmanic wrote:
On your salary? You must be joking.

How many people here have bought their own Barons on their salaries?

If any here, 100% of them. What's the point of such ridiculous
posts anyway? Except to antagonize.

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Greg Farris writes:

And what, precisely, do you expect the "propulsive power" to be accomplishing
if the bicycle is stopped?

He said "when you approach stop." If the bicycle is still moving and
there is power to the wheel, it won't fall.

Do we reject, then, the notion that the gyroscopic stability provided by the
wheels in motion helps to keep the bicycle upright?

No, but kinetic energy in the bicycle keeps it from falling over. In
order to fall over, it has to have no kinetic energy--it has to stop.
But as long as there is power to the wheel and traction, it cannot
stop, therefore it cannot fall over (which would require a loss of
energy that cannot occur).

It is only a question of
"propulsive power" available to the rear wheel (specifically) while both wheels
must have "traction". As long as this is present the bicycle "cannot" fall
over.

Right. It should apply to both wheels, actually, but I haven't
considered that possibility.

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TxSrv writes:

If any here, 100% of them.

I doubt that. Barons are expensive, and most salaries wouldn't pay
for them. Other sources of income would probably come into play, such
as passive investments, etc.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
TxSrv writes:

If any here, 100% of them.

I doubt that. Barons are expensive, and most salaries wouldn't pay
for them. Other sources of income would probably come into play, such
as passive investments, etc.

More pointless jibberish. When after-tax income, minus
personal-living needs, exceeds the annual acquisition/maintenance
costs of a Baron, buy one if you want. Or a real nice house.
There's a real world out there, not a simulated one.

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Mxsmanic wrote:



As long as the rear wheel is powered and both wheels have traction,
the bicycle cannot fall over.


It most certainly can.


The usual reasons for a bicycle falling
over are a loss of traction or a complete absence of propulsive power
to the rear wheel.

The main reason is the rider loses his balance.