Ratings for an Amphibian

("John Godwin" wrote)
Since the Mermaid has a Vh of greater than 87 KCAS you must have:
A Sport Pilot Certificate with an AP-8 Endorsement ... or
A Recreational Pilot Certificate with SES rating ... or
A Private, Commercial, or ATP with SES rating.


I found it on page 13 of:
"CFI’s Guide to Sport Pilot and Light-Sport Aircraft"

Appendix 4
Sets of Aircraft

Example: A sport pilot received all of her training in an Aeronca Champ. She
is signed off for the set "Airplane, 87 KCAS, tailwheel" (set "AP-2"). She
is able to fly, without any additional training or endorsement, any
tailwheel airplane that is sport pilot eligible and has a VH of 87KCAS or
below.

She is interested in buying one of the new, fast tricycle-geared S-LSAs.
Before she can act as PIC of the aircraft she purchases, she will need to
train with a CFI in a sport pilot-eligible tricycle geared aircraft with a
VH of 87 KCAS and receive an endorsement for aircraft set "AP-5".

A sport pilot could end up with up to 8 logbook endorsements in order to fly
every type of sport pilot-eligible airplane.


Airplane: 87 KCAS (VH) or BELOW
-----------------------------------------------
Tricycle gear ....... (AP-1)
Tailwheel ............. (AP-2)
Ski equipped ...... (AP-3)
Float equipped ... (AP-4)

Airplane: 87 KCAS (VH) and ABOVE
-------------------------------------------------
Tricycle gear ........ (AP-5)
Tailwheel .............. (AP-6)
Ski equipped ....... (AP-7)
Float equipped .... (AP-8)
Turbine ................. (AP-9)

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(same link as below)

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Bad Paul-Mont. Bad
Just checking who's checking :-)

Scott Skylane wrote:
As for the 1.1 definition of "Class", if
anything, a person might interpret that to mean you *do* have to have a
sea rating to operate a seaplane, regardless of where you take off and
land.


If you operate an amphib solely off of land, you do not need a seaplane
rating.

If you operate an amphib solely off of water, you do not need a
landplane rating.

Although capable of conversion, an airplane can occupy only one class at
one time. There is no special rule for amphibs.

Once you land on water, its a seaplane... until it lands on land
again..then its a landplane.

Dave

wrote:
Let's say I buy one and I have a SEL rating
only, can I fly it under sport pilot rules without going out and
getting a SES rating...? I'm inclined to think so, but I'd like to
hear what people say.

If its experimental, and Im prolly wrong here...,

but you are not required to have category and class in an experimental..
UNLESS passengers are carried.

In other words, you can go experiment on your own, but you have to be
rated to take someone with you.

Dave

I would think you would need a sea rating to one or the other.

Which brings up another question, can one hold two different types
of certificates, i.e. private single engine land and light sport
rotorcraft, at the same time?


Its not uncommon to see that at all...

My father had among other things,
Rotorcraft - Commercial
AMEL - ATP
ASEL - Commercial
Instrument, Airplane

Each of those was a different checkride at some point in time.

"Dave S" wrote

If its experimental, and Im prolly wrong here...,

but you are not required to have category and class in an experimental..
UNLESS passengers are carried.

In other words, you can go experiment on your own, but you have to be
rated to take someone with you.

True, I believe.

We had a FAA type guy at a local EAA fly in speaking on inspecting new
homebuilts, and that question was asked.

His response was yes, that was true, but he said that if a guy had built a
seaplane, and did not have a seaplane ticket, he would assign a fly off
period with restrictions like, "to be flown only on the first Tuesday of the
month, within a 2 mile radius of the airport (or seaport) on a day with a
full moon the following night, with a fly off time of 100 hours."

In other words, you will have to have the rating, as far as he is concerned.
--
Jim in NC

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote In fact, I even instructed in a
non-amphib Cessna 185 completely
legally without ever having had a seaplane rating..


How's that for a brain teaser?


Bertie

I hope it was before August 1997...

Doesn't matter when, It was legal, definitely. Local GADO sed so too.

Took off on floats from snow or wet grass.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in news:0nnfi.1911$es3.939
@newsfe02.lga:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote In fact, I even instructed in a
non-amphib Cessna 185 completely
legally without ever having had a seaplane rating..


How's that for a brain teaser?


Bertie

I hope it was before August 1997...

Doesn't matter when, It was legal, definitely. Local GADO sed so too.

Took off on floats from snow or wet grass.


Nope, but a good one I sure never would have thought of.
No, I was giving instrument instruction to a guy who had a 185 on floats.
We would do an approach into the airport near the lake where he parked the
thing and then divert from minimums over to the lake.
He did most of his instrument training like this.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
:

Nope, but a good one I sure never would have thought of.
No, I was giving instrument instruction to a guy who had a 185 on
floats. We would do an approach into the airport near the lake where he
parked the thing and then divert from minimums over to the lake.
He did most of his instrument training like this.

If you aren't rated in the plane, how can you instruct in it? Or even be a
safety pilot?

"§ 91.109 Flight instruction; Simulated instrument flight and certain
flight tests. ...
(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight
unless—

(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at
least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown."


Do you have category and class ratings appropriate to a Cessna 185 with
floats?

Judah wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
:

Nope, but a good one I sure never would have thought of.
No, I was giving instrument instruction to a guy who had a 185 on
floats. We would do an approach into the airport near the lake where
he parked the thing and then divert from minimums over to the lake.
He did most of his instrument training like this.

If you aren't rated in the plane, how can you instruct in it? Or even
be a safety pilot?


A, it's called an airplane.

B. I only instucted him in instrument flight, so the boots didn't matter
since inever landed it.

"§ 91.109 Flight instruction; Simulated instrument flight and
certain flight tests. ...
(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless—

(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses
at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown."


Do you have category and class ratings appropriate to a Cessna 185
with floats?




Nope, but the FAA decided it was legit so we did it.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:Xns995A219B0F554****upropeeh@
207.14.116.130:

Judah wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
:

Nope, but a good one I sure never would have thought of.
No, I was giving instrument instruction to a guy who had a 185 on
floats. We would do an approach into the airport near the lake where
he parked the thing and then divert from minimums over to the lake.
He did most of his instrument training like this.

If you aren't rated in the plane, how can you instruct in it? Or even
be a safety pilot?


A, it's called an airplane.

"plane" Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House,
Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plane (accessed: June 24,
2007).
–noun
5. Aeronautics. a. an airplane or a hydroplane: to take a plane to Dallas.

B. I only instucted him in instrument flight, so the boots didn't matter
since inever landed it.

"§ 91.109 Flight instruction; Simulated instrument flight and
certain flight tests. ...
(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless—

(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses
at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings
appropriate to the aircraft being flown."


Do you have category and class ratings appropriate to a Cessna 185
with floats?

Nope, but the FAA decided it was legit so we did it.

I highly suspect that the entire FAA didn't decide it was legit, in
contrast to the paragraph I quoted earlier. I rather suspect that some guy
who works at a FSDO gave you his opinion over the phone, and had you been
caught in the act by another guy from another FSDO (or maybe even the same
FSDO), who happened to be a hardass, he might not have been so lenient.

As I have demonstrated above, one can find a source to say nearly anything,
but that doesn't make it accurate. In the relatively few years that I have
been involved in aviation, I have found this to be especially true with
respect to piloting, FAA regulations, and Aerodynamics.

There is more folklore being spewed about aviation than all the old wives
tales ever conceived, let alone spoken.