GOO to OSH on gasahol

I tried this automotive trip theory on a trip from Loveland Colorado
to
Columbus Ohio.

It took 2 long days not 1 short one. I got the same gas mileage in
a van that would carry 3X what the plane would at 1/3 the speed.

Being catatonic on the long trip, was not an option. There were
vehicles 2' away driven by crazy people.

Afternoon of the second day I could hardly stay awake.

When I got home, I kissed my airplane.

Bill Hale

Home at 2330 PDT on Friday, 27 July after leaving OSH 0630 on Thursday, 26
July. First day was OSH-SidneyNE for 13:00 hours driving including a half
hour lunch stop and three or four gas stops. Second day was Sidney-GOO for
19:30 hours (0600 departure, 2330 arrival + 2 time zones). Total driving
time 32:30 hours

Roughly 2200 miles @ 68 mph including stops.

Flying has always been roughly 1900 miles in 18 hours (one way) flight time
(plus gas stops) or roughly 105 mph.

Yes, the 182 cruises at 110 at economy cruise (11.5 gph on the average) plus
climbs, plus patterns, plus deviations around nasty weather plus waiting on
the tarmac because the lineboy went to lunch plus gawdknowswhatall for a gas
usage of 207 gallons.

Driving was 78 gallons for 2200 miles, or 28.2 mpg. This was NOT a pi$$@nt
little economy two-seater but a full-boat Subaru wagon with a cargo area at
least three to four times the 182.

The bottom line with cargas on the average at $2.95 across the country and
avgas at an average of $4.50 across the country?

Subaru - 78 gallons at $2.95 = $230.10

Cessna - 207 gallons at $4.50 = $931.50

Total roundtrip delta ... avfuel $1863 - cargas $460 = $1403

What sort of goodies can YOU buy for your airplane with an extra $1400 in
your wallet?

Jim


--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown

" wrote in message
oups.com...
I tried this automotive trip theory on a trip from Loveland Colorado
to
Columbus Ohio.

It took 2 long days not 1 short one. I got the same gas mileage in
a van that would carry 3X what the plane would at 1/3 the speed.

Get a better van.



Being catatonic on the long trip, was not an option. There were
vehicles 2' away driven by crazy people.

Get a second driver.



Afternoon of the second day I could hardly stay awake.

Diet Coke or No-Doz is your friend.


When I got home, I kissed my airplane.

I kissed my wallet, because now I can spend more AMUs on him than on wasting
gasoline on long trips.

Jim

And, umm, the two areas of hard IFR we found in eastern Nebraska/western
Iowa going to and the absolutely impassable snotty line of thunderbumpers in
eastern Nebraska on Thursday night and the crappy IFR ceilings and such on
Friday morning..

Subaru IFR isn't all that difficult {;-)

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown



"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
Home at 2330 PDT on Friday, 27 July after leaving OSH 0630 on Thursday, 26
July. First day was OSH-SidneyNE for 13:00 hours driving including a half
hour lunch stop and three or four gas stops. Second day was Sidney-GOO
for 19:30 hours (0600 departure, 2330 arrival + 2 time zones). Total
driving time 32:30 hours

Roughly 2200 miles @ 68 mph including stops.

Flying has always been roughly 1900 miles in 18 hours (one way) flight
time (plus gas stops) or roughly 105 mph.

Yes, the 182 cruises at 110 at economy cruise (11.5 gph on the average)
plus climbs, plus patterns, plus deviations around nasty weather plus
waiting on the tarmac because the lineboy went to lunch plus
gawdknowswhatall for a gas usage of 207 gallons.

Driving was 78 gallons for 2200 miles, or 28.2 mpg. This was NOT a
pi$$@nt little economy two-seater but a full-boat Subaru wagon with a
cargo area at least three to four times the 182.

The bottom line with cargas on the average at $2.95 across the country and
avgas at an average of $4.50 across the country?

Subaru - 78 gallons at $2.95 = $230.10

Cessna - 207 gallons at $4.50 = $931.50

Total roundtrip delta ... avfuel $1863 - cargas $460 = $1403

What sort of goodies can YOU buy for your airplane with an extra $1400 in
your wallet?

Jim


--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine
in the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown

" wrote in message
oups.com...
I tried this automotive trip theory on a trip from Loveland Colorado
to
Columbus Ohio.

It took 2 long days not 1 short one. I got the same gas mileage in
a van that would carry 3X what the plane would at 1/3 the speed.

Get a better van.



Being catatonic on the long trip, was not an option. There were
vehicles 2' away driven by crazy people.

Get a second driver.



Afternoon of the second day I could hardly stay awake.

Diet Coke or No-Doz is your friend.


When I got home, I kissed my airplane.

I kissed my wallet, because now I can spend more AMUs on him than on
wasting gasoline on long trips.

Jim

In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

[snip]
The bottom line with cargas on the average at $2.95 across the country and
avgas at an average of $4.50 across the country?

Subaru - 78 gallons at $2.95 = $230.10

Cessna - 207 gallons at $4.50 = $931.50

Total roundtrip delta ... avfuel $1863 - cargas $460 = $1403

What sort of goodies can YOU buy for your airplane with an extra $1400 in
your wallet?

What would be the point if I drive instead of flying?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

RST Engineering wrote:
Home at 2330 PDT on Friday, 27 July after leaving OSH 0630 on Thursday, 26
July. First day was OSH-SidneyNE for 13:00 hours driving including a half
hour lunch stop and three or four gas stops. Second day was Sidney-GOO for
19:30 hours (0600 departure, 2330 arrival + 2 time zones). Total driving
time 32:30 hours

Roughly 2200 miles @ 68 mph including stops.

Flying has always been roughly 1900 miles in 18 hours (one way) flight time
(plus gas stops) or roughly 105 mph.

Yes, the 182 cruises at 110 at economy cruise (11.5 gph on the average) plus
climbs, plus patterns, plus deviations around nasty weather plus waiting on
the tarmac because the lineboy went to lunch plus gawdknowswhatall for a gas
usage of 207 gallons.

Driving was 78 gallons for 2200 miles, or 28.2 mpg. This was NOT a pi$$@nt
little economy two-seater but a full-boat Subaru wagon with a cargo area at
least three to four times the 182.

The bottom line with cargas on the average at $2.95 across the country and
avgas at an average of $4.50 across the country?

Subaru - 78 gallons at $2.95 = $230.10

Cessna - 207 gallons at $4.50 = $931.50

Total roundtrip delta ... avfuel $1863 - cargas $460 = $1403

What sort of goodies can YOU buy for your airplane with an extra $1400 in
your wallet?

If you are going to drive rather than fly your airplane, what good are
the goodies? :-)

Matt

RST Engineering wrote:
Home at 2330 PDT on Friday, 27 July after leaving OSH 0630 on Thursday, 26
July.

Egad! Where did you bury your wife's body?

Yes as someone who has attended Osh 9-10 times in the past and always
trailering a Safari helicopter, I know the driving bit. Ken Brock, of the
gyrocopter fame, had said that the rotorcraft aren't good for cross country
work. We found that the helicopter on a trailer behind a pickup with a
slide in camper actually made the same time crossing from California to Osh
as friends in a very fast Long Eze. Weather caused their delays while as
Jim says IMC in my pickup isn't too difficult. Besides we have our "House"
when we get to Osh and even transportation when required. We camp on the
private property just south of the Ultralite runway and have a good view of
the show.
We attend some 13 events each year in support of the magazine and the
camper-trailer combination has earned it's keep. If we keep the speed down
we get about 15mpg in our Dodge Diesel P/U. Looking at the under-wing
campers, and considering we are always there for the entire show, our slide
in camper with refrigerator, shower and toilet looks pretty good.
--
Stuart & Kathryn Fields, Publishers
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478 ph
(760) 408-9747 publication cell
(760) 608-1299 technical cell
www.experimentalhelo.com
www.vkss.com


"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
And, umm, the two areas of hard IFR we found in eastern Nebraska/western
Iowa going to and the absolutely impassable snotty line of thunderbumpers
in eastern Nebraska on Thursday night and the crappy IFR ceilings and such
on Friday morning..

Subaru IFR isn't all that difficult {;-)

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine
in the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown



"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
Home at 2330 PDT on Friday, 27 July after leaving OSH 0630 on Thursday,
26 July. First day was OSH-SidneyNE for 13:00 hours driving including a
half hour lunch stop and three or four gas stops. Second day was
Sidney-GOO for 19:30 hours (0600 departure, 2330 arrival + 2 time zones).
Total driving time 32:30 hours

Roughly 2200 miles @ 68 mph including stops.

Flying has always been roughly 1900 miles in 18 hours (one way) flight
time (plus gas stops) or roughly 105 mph.

Yes, the 182 cruises at 110 at economy cruise (11.5 gph on the average)
plus climbs, plus patterns, plus deviations around nasty weather plus
waiting on the tarmac because the lineboy went to lunch plus
gawdknowswhatall for a gas usage of 207 gallons.

Driving was 78 gallons for 2200 miles, or 28.2 mpg. This was NOT a
pi$$@nt little economy two-seater but a full-boat Subaru wagon with a
cargo area at least three to four times the 182.

The bottom line with cargas on the average at $2.95 across the country
and avgas at an average of $4.50 across the country?

Subaru - 78 gallons at $2.95 = $230.10

Cessna - 207 gallons at $4.50 = $931.50

Total roundtrip delta ... avfuel $1863 - cargas $460 = $1403

What sort of goodies can YOU buy for your airplane with an extra $1400 in
your wallet?

Jim


--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine
in the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown

" wrote in message
oups.com...
I tried this automotive trip theory on a trip from Loveland Colorado
to
Columbus Ohio.

It took 2 long days not 1 short one. I got the same gas mileage in
a van that would carry 3X what the plane would at 1/3 the speed.

Get a better van.



Being catatonic on the long trip, was not an option. There were
vehicles 2' away driven by crazy people.

Get a second driver.



Afternoon of the second day I could hardly stay awake.

Diet Coke or No-Doz is your friend.


When I got home, I kissed my airplane.

I kissed my wallet, because now I can spend more AMUs on him than on
wasting gasoline on long trips.

Jim

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Yes as someone who has attended Osh 9-10 times in the past and always
trailering a Safari helicopter, I know the driving bit. Ken Brock, of
the gyrocopter fame, had said that the rotorcraft aren't good for
cross country work. We found that the helicopter on a trailer behind
a pickup with a slide in camper actually made the same time crossing
from California to Osh as friends in a very fast Long Eze. Weather
caused their delays while as Jim says IMC in my pickup isn't too
difficult. Besides we have our "House" when we get to Osh and even
transportation when required. We camp on the private property just
south of the Ultralite runway and have a good view of the show.
We attend some 13 events each year in support of the magazine and the
camper-trailer combination has earned it's keep. If we keep the speed
down we get about 15mpg in our Dodge Diesel P/U. Looking at the
under-wing campers, and considering we are always there for the entire
show, our slide in camper with refrigerator, shower and toilet looks
pretty good.

A good way to pay for the trip would be to do the helicopter rides.
Three turbine G models were running nonstop during peak times and was
down to just 1 in the early mornings and evenings. They also had a
LongRanger running on Wednesday... Lots of TO/LD's logged by those guys
in the short loop over the parking areas and back to the blimp port...

Darrel: The FAH boys would frown on me using an Experimental and charging
for the rides. I imagine that EAA would not like the competition either.
No I'm just experimenting with cash flow. I've found a way to have the exit
velocity exceed the input velocity. Aviation.

--
Stuart & Kathryn Fields, Publishers
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478 ph
(760) 408-9747 publication cell
(760) 608-1299 technical cell
www.experimentalhelo.com
www.vkss.com


"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
. 18...
"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Yes as someone who has attended Osh 9-10 times in the past and always
trailering a Safari helicopter, I know the driving bit. Ken Brock, of
the gyrocopter fame, had said that the rotorcraft aren't good for
cross country work. We found that the helicopter on a trailer behind
a pickup with a slide in camper actually made the same time crossing
from California to Osh as friends in a very fast Long Eze. Weather
caused their delays while as Jim says IMC in my pickup isn't too
difficult. Besides we have our "House" when we get to Osh and even
transportation when required. We camp on the private property just
south of the Ultralite runway and have a good view of the show.
We attend some 13 events each year in support of the magazine and the
camper-trailer combination has earned it's keep. If we keep the speed
down we get about 15mpg in our Dodge Diesel P/U. Looking at the
under-wing campers, and considering we are always there for the entire
show, our slide in camper with refrigerator, shower and toilet looks
pretty good.

A good way to pay for the trip would be to do the helicopter rides.
Three turbine G models were running nonstop during peak times and was
down to just 1 in the early mornings and evenings. They also had a
LongRanger running on Wednesday... Lots of TO/LD's logged by those guys
in the short loop over the parking areas and back to the blimp port...

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:

Darrel: The FAH boys would frown on me using an Experimental and
charging for the rides. I imagine that EAA would not like the
competition either. No I'm just experimenting with cash flow. I've
found a way to have the exit velocity exceed the input velocity.
Aviation.

Was just an observation...

Of course the guy in the Hummelbird was getting lots of TO/LD's on
Wednesday as well, over on the ultralight field... All by himself... ;-)