Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?

Mike Marron wrote:

(Kirk Stant) wrote:

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Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

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Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar,

TF-9s used as armed FastFACs by the Marines in Vietnam. Tunnan used in the
Belgian Congo, as already mentioned by someone.


Avro Vulcan,

Falklands.

English Electric Lightning,

Possibly used by Saudi Arabia and/or Kuwait for ground attack? Unlikely.

Alpha Jet,

Not sure on this.

Folland Gnat,

India, in both 1965 and 1971.

BAe Hawk,

COIN.

Tupolov Tu-22,

Usd by both Iraq and Libya according to Bill Gunston (circa. 1979), the
former against the Kurds, the latter against Tanzania in support of Uganda.



Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16,

An Irawi Tu-16 bombed Netanya, israel during the Six-day war; it was shot
down (shared by a Mirage and AAA). Also used by Egypt to fire Kelt ARMs
against Israel in 1973.

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Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Namibia by RSA, DS by RAF.

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,

Banshees were used in Korea by the USN, but I can't remember if the -4 was.

Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

Hawker Sea Fury,

FAA in Korea.

Supermarine Attacker...

Don't think Pakistan used it in combat, but won't swear to it.

Guy

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...
Mike Marron wrote:

(Kirk Stant) wrote:

snip

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

snip

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar,

TF-9s used as armed FastFACs by the Marines in Vietnam. Tunnan used in the
Belgian Congo, as already mentioned by someone.


Avro Vulcan,

Falklands.

English Electric Lightning,

Possibly used by Saudi Arabia and/or Kuwait for ground attack? Unlikely.

No, I believe it was used by Saudi Arabia in the attack role against
Yemeni targets.


Alpha Jet,

Not sure on this.

I believe it may have seen use by Nigeria?


Folland Gnat,

India, in both 1965 and 1971.

BAe Hawk,

COIN.

Tupolov Tu-22,

Usd by both Iraq and Libya according to Bill Gunston (circa. 1979), the
former against the Kurds, the latter against Tanzania in support of Uganda.

I thought it also saw use by Libya in Chad early on?




Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16,

An Irawi Tu-16 bombed Netanya, israel during the Six-day war; it was shot
down (shared by a Mirage and AAA). Also used by Egypt to fire Kelt ARMs
against Israel in 1973.

Also used by Egypt in Yemen.


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Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Namibia by RSA, DS by RAF.

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee,

Banshees were used in Korea by the USN, but I can't remember if the -4 was.

Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

I think it may also have seen use by El Salvadore?


Hawker Sea Fury,

FAA in Korea.

And IIRC it saw action in Cuba (Bay of Pigs, by Castro's folks, and
previous to that by the Batista loyalists).

Brooks


Supermarine Attacker...

Don't think Pakistan used it in combat, but won't swear to it.

Guy

Kevin Brooks wrote:

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...

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Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

I think it may also have seen use by El Salvadore?

The Football War in 1969? The Ouragans were received too late for that. It was fought by Corsairs and Mustangs.

Guy

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...
Kevin Brooks wrote:

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...

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Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

I think it may also have seen use by El Salvadore?

The Football War in 1969? The Ouragans were received too late for that. It was fought by Corsairs and Mustangs.

Guy

Actually, I was thinking more in the COIN realm against their own
guerrellas; depending upon when the Ouragons last were flightworthy.

Brooks

"Mike Marron" kirjoitti
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(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab

Republic F-84F France Egypt 1956

29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,

Fiat G.91 Portugal - Angola, Mosambique

Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

Tupolev Tu-16 - Iraq ?, Egypt Israel
Tupolev Tu-22 - Iraq ?, Libya Tsad

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Grumman F7F Tigercat - Korea


Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.





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"Mike Marron" kirjoitti
om...
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab

Republic F-84F France Egypt 1956

Not sure about that, but I did read that it continued to serve with
both Greece and Turkey until 76, so the likelihood of it seeing combat
at some point is there.

Brooks


29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,

Fiat G.91 Portugal - Angola, Mosambique

Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

Tupolev Tu-16 - Iraq ?, Egypt Israel
Tupolev Tu-22 - Iraq ?, Libya Tsad

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Grumman F7F Tigercat - Korea


Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.





H

In article , Mike Marron
writes
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.



F-84F - Suez 1956
Vulcan - Falklands 1982
Victor - possibly Borneo 1962-66
Lightning - Saudi Arabia - Yemen c1967-70
Gnat - India-Pakistan 1965, 1971
Tu-22 - Chad 1981+
Buccaneer - South Africa 1965-90, Gulf War 1991
F2H - Korea
Venom - Malaya c1956-60, Suez 1956, Aden 1956+
Sea Venom - Aden 196-
Vampire - Malaya 1951-55, Algeria 1954, Aden 1952, Tunisia 1961
Ouragan - Israel 1956, 1965
Sea Fury - Korea 1950-53

Just a few which come to mind, but then my horizons are a bit further
than my own back yard. I don't see what the question has to do with the
US taxpayer.
--
Vic Flintham
Cold war military aviation
http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk

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F-84F - Suez 1956
Vulcan - Falklands 1982
Victor - possibly Borneo 1962-66
Lightning - Saudi Arabia - Yemen c1967-70
Gnat - India-Pakistan 1965, 1971
Tu-22 - Chad 1981+

Tu-22s also in Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq War.

A couple mo

Tu-22M (proper name for Tu-26) - Afghanistan (late)
Tu-16 - Afghanistan and possibly Iran-Iraq war.

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Mike Marron wrote in message
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(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Fiat G.91 - used by the Potuguese in Angola?

English Electric Lightning - used by the Saudis for counter-insurection?

de Havilland Venom - RAF Malaya and Suez


John



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In article ,
Mike Marron wrote:
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?
B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29,

SAAB 29s founght over central Africa (Biafra?) in the 60s.

F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat

Vulcan flew the Black Buck airfield-denial missions during Corporate,
the longest-range bombing missions to date. IIRC Vulcan always
had a secondary conventional bombing role, so it was working within
its job description. Victors did the tanking for Black Buck, so although
they weren't worrking within their original design role they were
certainly doing a significant job.

Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji

Gnat saw service in the early 70s Indo-Pakistani war, earning the
tag of "MiG-killer" in Pakistani service.
Hawks have seen a maul of action as ground-attack, Zimbabwean examples
over Congo, for example.

T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

*Blackburn* Firebrand, Mercifully no action. Bugger was dangerous enough
as it was.

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,

*Blackburn* Buccaneer saw action in the second Gulf War (1991).
DH Venom saw action in Suez (1957).

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Sea Fury saw action over Korea - including a MiG 15 downed. Attacker
and IIRC Vampire samw action over Suez in '57.

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.




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