Serious STOL fun

Veeduber wrote in news:f2b41c11-2f54-4847-8e2c-
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Yeah, an automotive conversion really doesn;t appeal to me for a lot of
reasons. Some VW designs are realyl fun though! And breaths there a
pilot with a soul so dead as to not turn and look at a nice model A
poswered Piet?

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There are any number of modern industrial engines, some weighing less
than the Model A, that produce an honest 65 to 85 hp at 1800 to 2200
rpm.


Really? Name a few?

Bertie

On Jan 29, 7:18*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Veeduber wrote in news:f2b41c11-2f54-4847-8e2c-
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Yeah, an automotive conversion really doesn;t appeal to me for a lot of
reasons. Some VW designs are realyl fun though! And breaths there a
pilot with a soul so dead as to not turn and look at a nice model A
poswered Piet?

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There are any number of modern industrial engines, some weighing less
than the Model A, that produce an honest 65 to 85 hp at 1800 to 2200
rpm.

Really? Name a few?

Bertie

Yeah I'd like to know too.

On Jan 28, 4:56*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"William Hung" wrote

C'on Jim, it's not so ugly. *Looks like a Jeep Willy of the sky to me,
and I think the Willy's jeeps look great. *My plan is to one day get a
C150, I'm leaning towards building the 701 now. *Maybe with a 582 or
if finances allow, a 912.

Yeah, I guess it isn't all that ugly; but it looks "bulldog ugly"; its
straight out top just has no streamlined look to it, I think.

Put a Jubaru 3300 on it, if you want to do it right. *None of the sewing
machine Rotax engines, for me.
--
Jim in NC

Why the Jabiru Jim?

WIl

William Hung wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:56 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"William Hung" wrote

C'on Jim, it's not so ugly. Looks like a Jeep Willy of the sky to me,
and I think the Willy's jeeps look great. My plan is to one day get a
C150, I'm leaning towards building the 701 now. Maybe with a 582 or
if finances allow, a 912.

Yeah, I guess it isn't all that ugly; but it looks "bulldog ugly"; its
straight out top just has no streamlined look to it, I think.

Put a Jubaru 3300 on it, if you want to do it right. None of the sewing
machine Rotax engines, for me.
--
Jim in NC

Why the Jabiru Jim?

WIl

Sorry to say, but Jabiru Jim sounds like a character at Busch Gardens.

LS

"William Hung" wrote

Why the Jabiru Jim?

You probably have noticed that I have no love for Rotax; so that is why
#1 - It isn't a Rotax.
#2 - Direct drive, so it eliminates another possible failure point.
#3 - It has a realistic HP to weight ratio, so it is not terribly
overstressed like Rotax
#4 - They have been though some of a learning curve, have had some problems
that they admitted to, and actively worked to correct.
#5 - They offer some different sizes to fit your needs - another one will be
out soon, I believe. It will be an 8 cylinder, and it plain "looks cool!"
#6 - Not many other offerings that are modern engines, not from the ancient
Lycoming-Continental gene pool.
#7 - Cost is somewhat reasonable.
#8 - It isn't a Rotax
#9 - It isn't a Rotax
#10- It isn't a Rotax

I personally will probably go with an auto conversion, but I realize that
some people do not have the ability or the desire to do something like that.
I do, on both accounts. I very much enjoy playing with things like
perfecting an engine conversion.

The plan is to get a conversion rigged up, and make a relatively cheap
plywood airboat, and run the hell out of it, while enjoying the time playing
with a unique boat on the lake. My thought is that it lives through the
gyroscopic loads of rapid hard pounding on a boat, it will survive quite
well in an airplane.
--
Jim in NC

"Larry Stimely" wrote

Sorry to say, but Jabiru Jim sounds like a character at Busch Gardens.

chuckle Good one, Larry. :-)
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:
#5 - They offer some different sizes to fit your needs - another one
will be out soon, I believe. It will be an 8 cylinder, and it plain
"looks cool!"

I presume you mean the Jabiru 5100. I believe it has been available for a
while - though my understanding is that they had so much demand for the
lower HP versions of their engines that production of 5100s was made a
lower priority. Anyway, according to their web site they must have managed
to catch up with demand since it says 5100s are now in stock:

http://www.jabiru.net.au/

On Jan 29, 5:18 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Really? Name a few?

Ford, GM, Chrysler, Volvo, Holden, Renault... Volkswagen :-)

http://www.gm.com/explore/technology...al_engines.jsp

Every major automobile manufacturer offers a line of industrial
engines. There is also an extensive network of professional over-haul
shops that specialize in industrial engines.

For 2008 GM is introducing lighter weight Brazilian built utility
engines to replace the all-cast-iron models that have been standard
since the late 1940's.

The world can't run without utility engines for deep-well pumps, air
compressors, portable arc welders, orchard sprayers, fork lifts, all
manner of farm equipment... Many of these engines are an EXACT match
for the Model A but being of modern design, they offer better
durability and reduced fuel consumption, typically at less weight.

-RS.Hoover

Veeduber wrote in
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On Jan 29, 5:18 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Really? Name a few?

Ford, GM, Chrysler, Volvo, Holden, Renault... Volkswagen :-)

http://www.gm.com/explore/technology.../specialized/i
ndustrial/industrial_engines.jsp

Every major automobile manufacturer offers a line of industrial
engines. There is also an extensive network of professional over-haul
shops that specialize in industrial engines.

For 2008 GM is introducing lighter weight Brazilian built utility
engines to replace the all-cast-iron models that have been standard
since the late 1940's.

The world can't run without utility engines for deep-well pumps, air
compressors, portable arc welders, orchard sprayers, fork lifts, all
manner of farm equipment... Many of these engines are an EXACT match
for the Model A but being of modern design, they offer better
durability and reduced fuel consumption, typically at less weight.


INteresting. The only one I know of commonly used for aviation is that
little 2 cyl Onan they put on Quickies. I know some ultralight guys use the
little Continental 084s as well.


Bertie

"Jim Logajan" wrote

I presume you mean the Jabiru 5100. I believe it has been available for a
while - though my understanding is that they had so much demand for the
lower HP versions of their engines that production of 5100s was made a
lower priority. Anyway, according to their web site they must have managed
to catch up with demand since it says 5100s are now in stock:

http://www.jabiru.net.au/

I had not paid much attention, since I don't have the need for one. They do
look cool, though.

Thanks for the correction.
--
Jim in NC