radiocomm question

Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0802/00516AD.PDF

"TakeFlight" wrote:

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....

I would have stayed with ground until ready for takeoff at 14.

Nevertheless, it probably didn't matter much to the controller. At bigger
airports, it might.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message


I would have stayed with ground until ready for takeoff at 14.

Nevertheless, it probably didn't matter much to the controller. At
bigger airports, it might.

RDU isn't exactly a backwater field, but I agree with staying with ground.

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"John T" wrote:


RDU isn't exactly a backwater field, but I agree with staying with ground.

Didn't say it was, but I bet it's more relaxed than a busy Bravo like
Houston Hobby, for example.

They don't care much for home-made radio procedure at HOU.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message


Didn't say it was, but I bet it's more relaxed than a busy Bravo like
Houston Hobby, for example.

They don't care much for home-made radio procedure at HOU.



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"TakeFlight" wrote in message
...
Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0802/00516AD.PDF


You stay with ground until you get to the destination that you were told.
The only exception I can think of is if there is some NOTAM, or airport
letter on file and posted.

--
BobF.

In article ,
Bob F. wrote:

You stay with ground until you get to the destination that you were told.

I think this is exactly correct.

But it's possible that there was a local procedure that the instructor
was aware of.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
...

I think this is exactly correct.

But it's possible that there was a local procedure that the instructor
was aware of.


I checked, there are none.

Then the instructor was at fault for not pointing this out by stating this
was an unusual procedure... Otherwise the student would think he should do
it in all cases. It he had done that, we wouldn't even be running this
thread.

--
BobF.
"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bob F. wrote:

You stay with ground until you get to the destination that you were told.

I think this is exactly correct.

But it's possible that there was a local procedure that the instructor
was aware of.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

"TakeFlight" wrote in message
...

Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.