FAA out of control

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, TheTruth posted:
The whistle-blowers say "FAA managers" knew about the lapse
in safety at Southwest, but decided to allow the airline to
conduct the safety checks on a slower schedule because
taking "aircraft out of service would have disrupted
Southwest Airlines' flight schedule."

Two major opposing trends in current government are deregulation and
increased bureaucracy. The past 20 years or so have largely gone towards
deregulation, with the entirely predictable outcomes such as those
that we
are seeing in industry, where hazardous products designed by US companies
are foisted on the public and the blame goes to the Chinese manufacturers
that followed spec; in our food chain, where cattle too sick to walk are
shoved into the processors with fork lifts; and in our infrastructure,
where bridges just collapse. "FAA managers" have no more control over
these circumstances than any other governmental office with oversight
responsibility that has been gutted to reduce spending. Sooner or later,
people might wake up to the fact that this approach just doesn't work. Or
not.

Neil



And the period of increased regulation only lasted about 20 years before
that. Of course there are those of us that don't expect the government
to be our nanny.

Government gutted to protract a war in the Middle East that
is bankrupting our country in favor of big oil and the
military industrial complex with no clear definition of
victory or what victory really is.

Much like the Roman Empire before it collapsed

Recently, TheTruth posted:

The whistle-blowers say "FAA managers" knew about the lapse
in safety at Southwest, but decided to allow the airline to
conduct the safety checks on a slower schedule because
taking "aircraft out of service would have disrupted
Southwest Airlines' flight schedule."

Two major opposing trends in current government are deregulation and
increased bureaucracy. The past 20 years or so have largely gone towards
deregulation, with the entirely predictable outcomes such as those that we
are seeing in industry, where hazardous products designed by US companies
are foisted on the public and the blame goes to the Chinese manufacturers
that followed spec; in our food chain, where cattle too sick to walk are
shoved into the processors with fork lifts; and in our infrastructure,
where bridges just collapse. "FAA managers" have no more control over
these circumstances than any other governmental office with oversight
responsibility that has been gutted to reduce spending. Sooner or later,
people might wake up to the fact that this approach just doesn't work. Or
not.

Neil

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:48:10 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

TheTruth wrote in :

Airbus wrote:
In article , says...

terry wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:08 am, TheTruth wrote:
According to press reports to date, no less than 6, perhaps
more, commercial jet aircraft potentially carrying hundreds
of passengers per trip and sometimes on multiple trips per
day - had cracks in them. Had cracks in them. And people at
the FAA, and Southwest, knew it. And the planes had cracks
in them. And the flights continued thereafter, nonetheless.

http://southwestairlinesalmostkilledyou.blogspot.com/
I bet every plane you have ever flown in would have had cracks in
it.
it doesnt necessarily mean it is not safe.
I fly a 30 year old Cessna, it has cracks in the wing strut
covering,
the wheel fairings, the engine cowling. There are cracks in the
upholstery too.
Terry
Cracks like this??

http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/...3/sorry--.html


Those are not cracks, but crumpled and shredded metal.
I'm afraid "Mr Truth" is anything but.
His logic has cracks in it. Has cracks in it. Has cracks in it.

Crumpled metal begins as a crack Mr. Wizard

That crumpled metal looks more like the results of a very hard
landing.



Much the same as your crumpled brain.



Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mar 12, 5:07 am, WingFlaps wrote:

Yep, every passenger brought a crack on board...

Cheers

http://colourtechgroup.blogspot.com/...elievable.html

On Mar 12, 4:29*pm, TheTruth wrote:

I read about it earlier today. I was referring to the photo of a beat-
up SWA 737 on the weblink that nitwit "TheTruth" posted. That photo
had absolutely nothing to do with any undiscovered cracks in older
737s, and was very deceptive to say the least.

Nothing to do with it? How do you know?


The issue with the SWA jets is the late inspections for fuselage
cracks that form around the windows from the repeated pressurization
cycles. These inspections apply to their older 737-300 aircraft which
first entered service in 1984. The photo of the 737 on that weblink
you posted shows damage completely unrelated to metal fatigue. That
airplane was involved in an incident where it went off the end of a
runway and was damaged. As I said before, completely unrelated.

On Mar 13, 3:46*pm, wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:07 am, WingFlaps wrote:

Yep, every passenger brought a crack on board...

Cheers

http://colourtechgroup.blogspot.com/...rplane-windowu...

These?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsOzgM5vuDQ

Cheers

Airbus wrote:
In article , says...

terry wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:08 am, TheTruth wrote:
According to press reports to date, no less than 6, perhaps
more, commercial jet aircraft potentially carrying hundreds
of passengers per trip and sometimes on multiple trips per
day - had cracks in them. Had cracks in them. And people at
the FAA, and Southwest, knew it. And the planes had cracks
in them. And the flights continued thereafter, nonetheless.

http://southwestairlinesalmostkilledyou.blogspot.com/
I bet every plane you have ever flown in would have had cracks in it.
it doesnt necessarily mean it is not safe.
I fly a 30 year old Cessna, it has cracks in the wing strut covering,
the wheel fairings, the engine cowling. There are cracks in the
upholstery too.
Terry
Cracks like this??

http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/...3/sorry--.html


Those are not cracks, but crumpled and shredded metal.
I'm afraid "Mr Truth" is anything but.
His logic has cracks in it. Has cracks in it. Has cracks in it.

More like he has crack in him.

TheTruth wrote in :

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
TheTruth wrote in news:5YVBj.134$E42.66
@newsfe02.lga:

B A R R Y wrote:
Kingfish wrote:
On Mar 12, 2:10 am, TheTruth wrote:

Crumpled metal begins as a crack Mr. Wizard

Anybody with any sort of knowledge in this area,
and not just some ignorant conspiracy-minded kook, knows this is
complete horse sh!t.
SWA grounded 44 planes today.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/12/sou...nes/index.html
It's always AFTER the fact with the tombstone agency FAA

What, those 44 airplanes had accidents?


Learn a language. Pick something easy.


Bertie

The whistle-blowers say "FAA managers" knew about the lapse
in safety at Southwest, but decided to allow the airline to
conduct the safety checks on a slower schedule because
taking "aircraft out of service would have disrupted
Southwest Airlines' flight schedule."


Apparently the language you picked is a sort of "pidgeon bull****"



Bertie

TheTruth wrote in :




The FAA would not know the word proactive if it bit them in
the ass

Nobody would, It's not a word.


Bertie

Roger wrote in
:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:48:10 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:


That crumpled metal looks more like the results of a very hard
landing.


Yeah, maybe a partial wheels up or something.

Bertie