ATC Phraseology

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:51:59 -0400, "Bob F."
wrote:

A sharp pilot would have looked at the wind sock and said "to himself"
..yeah that's about right.

The Citation was about ten miles from the airport when this exchange
occurred, so I doubt the pilot could have seen it from there. I've
never seen a Citation overfly the field to check the wind indicator.

Yes, we've been through all that in this thread. Your server may be slow.

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BobF.
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:51:59 -0400, "Bob F."
wrote:

A sharp pilot would have looked at the wind sock and said "to himself"
..yeah that's about right.

The Citation was about ten miles from the airport when this exchange
occurred, so I doubt the pilot could have seen it from there. I've
never seen a Citation overfly the field to check the wind indicator.

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:09:09 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

Thanks for the information.

Have you ever run across this sort of pilot in your years of
experience?


Only one that I can immediately recall. Some twenty years ago I was at
Chicago Center working the OSH sector. I had an arrival to MKE, the route
was GRB direct BJB direct MKE. BJB is the arrival fix for MKE arrivals from
the north, by Letter of Agreement jets are to cross BJB at 10,000 feet. I
issued the descent clearance as he crossed the Center boundary about ten
miles south of GRB, "cross West Bend VOR at and maintain one zero thousand."
The pilot responded, in a rather snotty tone, "I wasn't aware that West Bend
had DME." I confirmed that it did not have DME, to which he asked, "Then
how do you expect us to cross it at ten?" I replied, "I expect you to
practice the fine art of navigation, please advise if that presents a
problem to you." "Outta two four oh for ten" was his reply, in a much less
snotty tone.

Our only other discourse was the communications transfer. Had he something
more to say about the descent clearance I was prepared to point out that if
a simple time-speed-distance problem was too challenging for him, proceeding
to BJB VOR did not preclude use of DME from GRB VORTAC.



Interesting. It sounds like the pilot was a little confused, and his
response, while inappropriate, did reveal _his_ misunderstanding and
less than adequate situational awareness, but I don't read it as an
attempt to needlessly harass the controller (you).

In the scenario I provided, it seemed that the pilot just wanted to
annoy the controller for no good reason. Perhaps they knew each
other, or this exchange was a legacy of some previous confrontation
between them.

Thanks for the story.