ATC

buttman wrote in
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On Mar 29, 10:09*pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:86c53833-2e0d-4ce2-84fa-c83801fdb
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On Mar 28, 5:00*am, "Mike Gilmour" wrote:
Listening to Boston ATC at various times the Tower controller asks
a fligh
t
if they 'have got their numbers" (?) or a flight will say they're
not read
y
to proceed because they "don't have their numbers".
What does this mean as it doesnt translate here in the UK?
TIA

I've always heard the phrase used when ATC asks or a pilot responds
regarding whether they have the information broadcasted on a
AWOS/ASOS frequency. When the tower is open, its an ATIS, so theres
a letter to go with it. If the tower is closed, or there is no
tower, its just a continuously updated recording of numbers. Since
you can't say "We have information Bravo", you say "We have the
numbers". At KBOS I doubt the tower closes, so my guess is the
controller is using this term as a colloquialism for "ATIS
information"

If the tower is closed, or there is no tower, who are you
communicating "the numbers" to? *And who cares?

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

Good grief, you're a compleat.. ......... idiot.


Bertie

On Mar 31, 10:14*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote :





On Mar 29, 10:09*pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:86c53833-2e0d-4ce2-84fa-c83801fdb
:

On Mar 28, 5:00*am, "Mike Gilmour" wrote:
Listening to Boston ATC at various times the Tower controller asks
a fligh
t
if they 'have got their numbers" (?) or a flight will say they're
not read
y
to proceed because they "don't have their numbers".
What does this mean as it doesnt translate here in the UK?
TIA

I've always heard the phrase used when ATC asks or a pilot responds
regarding whether they have the information broadcasted on a
AWOS/ASOS frequency. When the tower is open, its an ATIS, so theres
a letter to go with it. If the tower is closed, or there is no
tower, its just a continuously updated recording of numbers. Since
you can't say "We have information Bravo", you say "We have the
numbers". At KBOS I doubt the tower closes, so my guess is the
controller is using this term as a colloquialism for "ATIS
information"

If the tower is closed, or there is no tower, who are you
communicating "the numbers" to? *And who cares?

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

Good grief, you're a compleat.. ......... idiot.

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Well...

Good to know that the art of rational discourse is not yet dead in the
Land of the Free!

Guys, how does this sort of thing help promote the cause of GA flying?

Ed

On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.


There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft that
have not reported having the weather. Aircraft that have not reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

On Mar 31, 5:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:



The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft that
have not reported having the weather. *Aircraft that have not reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.