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Old April 8th 08, 12:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"The recipients of non-competitive contracts and those corporations that
thrive on war materials and equipment."

You really should learn a bit more about the contracting process in general,
government contracts in particular, and war-time contracting specifically.

While there were some no-bid contracts, most of these were not
"non-competitive". Further, for some of these contracts, there may not be
but one or two companies that could even do the work required.

I have heard the types of comments you are making more than once, and in
every instance they have been made by people who really didn't have a clue
regarding the accusations they are making...




"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Apr 7, 11:26 am, Larry Dighera wrote:

There was no need to find WMD; their objectives were accomplished when
the RNC and their spokes-puppet Bush under the direction of
Darth-Chenny conned us into engaging in the Iraq war for personal and
political gain.


Who received personal and political gain from the war in Iraq?


The recipients of non-competitive contracts and those corporations
that thrive on war materials and equipment.



  #32  
Old April 8th 08, 12:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:22:20 -0500, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net"
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Further, for some of these contracts, there may not be
but one or two companies that could even do the work required.


In this case, soldiers are complaining that they can't do their own
laundry, because Halliburton is charging us $99.00 a load to do it for
them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJlJudDtVE
http://iraqforsale.org/ . Prisoner interrogation is out-sourced;
private contractors are not signatory to the Geneva Convention.
Blackwater security guards are exempt from local and federal laws
while operating in Iraq. Halliburton charges US tax payers $99.00
per load to wash solders laundry, and solders are ordered not to
do their own. This article
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=30834 is two years old;
there are over 50,000 Peruvian mercenaries now in Iraq.


  #33  
Old April 8th 08, 01:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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And where is information from any reputable news or other source confirming
this?

YouTube is hardly a reliable journalistic source...



"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:22:20 -0500, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net"
wrote:

Further, for some of these contracts, there may not be
but one or two companies that could even do the work required.


In this case, soldiers are complaining that they can't do their own
laundry, because Halliburton is charging us $99.00 a load to do it for
them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJlJudDtVE
http://iraqforsale.org/ . Prisoner interrogation is out-sourced;
private contractors are not signatory to the Geneva Convention.
Blackwater security guards are exempt from local and federal laws
while operating in Iraq. Halliburton charges US tax payers $99.00
per load to wash solders laundry, and solders are ordered not to
do their own. This article
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=30834 is two years old;
there are over 50,000 Peruvian mercenaries now in Iraq.



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Old April 8th 08, 01:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Apr 7, 4:58 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:


Who received personal and political gain from the war in Iraq?


The recipients of non-competitive contracts and those corporations
that thrive on war materials and equipment.


Name them. How did they gain politically?

  #35  
Old April 8th 08, 01:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:31:32 -0500, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net"
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YouTube is hardly a reliable journalistic source...


You obviously didn't watch it. You can see soldiers saying they have
been instructed not to do their own laundry, so that Halliburton can
get their $99/load. Surely you aren't calling our fighting forces
liars, are you?


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Old April 8th 08, 12:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Bush's War (Was: USAF F-16 Instructor Discusses Flying Into MOAs)

As I said, "YouTube is hardly a reliable journalistic source..."

So I don't bother watching it for any sort of news coverage.

I've got a really nice Sony HD Video camera, and I bet I could line up ten
soldiers whose personal experience would support just about any claim I
chose to make.

But one's personal experience hardly represents an overall situation.
Remember the story of the blind men and the elephant?

Given the liberal agenda of much of our nation's media don't you think we
would have seen loads of stories on the laundry situation if it actually
existed?





"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:31:32 -0500, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net"
wrote:

YouTube is hardly a reliable journalistic source...


You obviously didn't watch it. You can see soldiers saying they have
been instructed not to do their own laundry, so that Halliburton can
get their $99/load. Surely you aren't calling our fighting forces
liars, are you?



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Old April 8th 08, 12:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Bush's War (Was: USAF F-16 Instructor Discusses Flying Into MOAs)

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:26:30 -0500, "Bill Denton"
wrote:

As I said, "YouTube is hardly a reliable journalistic source..."

So I don't bother watching it for any sort of news coverage.

I've got a really nice Sony HD Video camera, and I bet I could line up ten
soldiers whose personal experience would support just about any claim I
chose to make.


The same could be said of the Abu Ghraib photographs leaked by British
troops. Perhaps your insistence to remain blind is clouding your
judgment.

But one's personal experience hardly represents an overall situation.
Remember the story of the blind men and the elephant?


I believe it is your unwillingness to inform yourself that contributes
to your being even less aware of the truth than the fabled blind men
and the elephant.

Given the liberal agenda of much of our nation's media don't you think we
would have seen loads of stories on the laundry situation if it actually
existed?


You may characterize the news media as liberal, but it is the duty of
journalists to expose deceit and corruption, because we won't be
hearing if from the administration. Your choice to ignore the news
only makes you less knowledgable, not patriotic. Enlighten yourself.


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Old April 8th 08, 03:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Apr 8, 6:43*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

You may characterize the news media as liberal, but it is the duty of
journalists to expose deceit and corruption, because we won't be
hearing if from the administration. *Your choice to ignore the news
only makes you less knowledgable, not patriotic. *Enlighten yourself.


His choice to ignore the "news" makes him less likely to be
misinformed.

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Old April 8th 08, 04:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Apr 8, 6:43*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

You may characterize the news media as liberal, but it is the duty of
journalists to expose deceit and corruption, because we won't be
hearing if from the administration. *Your choice to ignore the news
only makes you less knowledgable, not patriotic. *Enlighten yourself.


His choice to ignore the "news" makes him less likely to be
misinformed.


It also makes him less likely to informed.
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Old April 8th 08, 07:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Apr 7, 11:26 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
There was no need to find WMD; their objectives were accomplished when
the RNC and their spokes-puppet Bush under the direction of
Darth-Chenny conned us into engaging in the Iraq war for personal and
political gain.

Who received personal and political gain from the war in Iraq?


The recipients of non-competitive contracts and those corporations
that thrive on war materials and equipment.



I'm pretty sure I asked you who else, other than Big H do you think
would have been able to bid on those contracts. I'm also pretty sure you
never answered.
 




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