The ethanol nightmare has arrived!

"Al" wrote in message
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I know this suggestion may be a bit far out, and you may not have the
time or ability to make it happen, but perhaps one of your friends would.

How about getting a slightly clapped out fuel truck, and setting up
yourself as a distributor, and going and getting a load at a time of
untainted fuel, and bringing it back and either using it yourself, or
selling it to yourself and a few others?

Thinking about it. Now looking for a fuel source. Of course, then I
would have to go through a huge bureaucratic process to get that truck
onto the field. But...I'm thinking about it.

Good. Until a few people start doing that, the FBO's will continue to sit
on their butts, and not go out of their ways to make good fuel available,
along with the 100LL.
--
Jim in NC

On Apr 12, 10:56*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Al" wrote in message

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*I know this suggestion may be a bit far out, and you may not have the
time or ability to make it happen, but perhaps one of your friends would.

How about getting a slightly clapped out fuel truck, and setting up
yourself as a distributor, and going and getting a load at a time of
untainted fuel, and bringing it back and either using it yourself, or
selling it to yourself and a few others?

Thinking about it. *Now looking for a fuel source. *Of course, then I
would have to go through a huge bureaucratic process to get that truck
onto the field. *But...I'm thinking about it.

Good. *Until a few people start doing that, the FBO's will continue to sit
on their butts, and not go out of their ways to make good fuel available,
along with the 100LL.
--
Jim in NC

The problem with this is that it is easy to find used fuel trucks.
However, driving them off of the airport requires insurance that will
make your auto fuel cost more that than the 100LL unless you are
selling or using very large quantities of fuel. This is why most Av-
gas trucks never leave the airport.

Brian

"Brian" wrote

The problem with this is that it is easy to find used fuel trucks.
However, driving them off of the airport requires insurance that will
make your auto fuel cost more that than the 100LL unless you are
selling or using very large quantities of fuel. This is why most Av-
gas trucks never leave the airport.

The next best thing would be to get to know someone that has a fleet of 18
wheeler delivery trucks, and see if he will load one of the cells in his
truck with some clean premium, and bring it to you at the airport.
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:41:39 -0700, Al
wrote:

I just happened to see a sticker on a fuel pump today that stated "may
contain up to 10% ethanol" while I was filling my car this morning.

Man, what state is that far behind the times?
Here in Michigan they started doing that IIRC in the late 70's. Now
they no longer tell you whether the fuel has alcohol in it or not. The
sticker only says meets standard such and such.

Upon further investigation with my fuel retailer, the local fuel jobber,
and the fuel distributor here in Spokane, Washington that there is a
federal mandate to add 9 billion gallons of ethanol per year to the
nationwide gasoline fuel stream. A new twist is a 5.1 cent per gallon
federal fuel tax break to the oil companies to get this "alternative"
fuel into the market. Tomorrow (April 8) is the first day of the
program and the dealers get their price tonight. According to my
sources, there is a possibility that some retailers may opt out, however
if that 5.1 cent break is passed on to them, it won't be likely.

I was lucky and just happened to ask the right question at the right
time. I haven't seen an outcry on this issue by EAA, AOPA or any other
aviation group.

AOPA has been working on this for some years. They have successfully
fought battles in a number of states that were going to mandate
Alcohol in all gas at the pumps.


This is a nationwide situation. Not just in a few states. You may not
find non-ethanol autogas at your usual outlet. Our jobber started
mixing in ethanol last week, however I had not purchased any since
mid-March so was unaware.

In essence, with the 5.1 cent per gallon tax break, the US federal
government has just killed the Aviation autogas concept.

I'm trying to locate a new source, but may not be successful. The
ethanol is added at the distribution rack. Chevron and a couple others
are requiring their retailers to go to E-10.


Al
Spokane, Wa
1964 Skyhawk with an AutoGas STC
Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

wrote in :

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:41:39 -0700, Al
wrote:

I just happened to see a sticker on a fuel pump today that stated "may
contain up to 10% ethanol" while I was filling my car this morning.

Man, what state is that far behind the times?
Here in Michigan they started doing that IIRC in the late 70's. Now
they no longer tell you whether the fuel has alcohol in it or not. The
sticker only says meets standard such and such.

In the 70s it was being called "Gasahol" and was from a seperate, labeled
pump.


Bertie

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:33:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

wrote in :

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:41:39 -0700, Al
wrote:

I just happened to see a sticker on a fuel pump today that stated "may
contain up to 10% ethanol" while I was filling my car this morning.

Man, what state is that far behind the times?
Here in Michigan they started doing that IIRC in the late 70's. Now
they no longer tell you whether the fuel has alcohol in it or not. The
sticker only says meets standard such and such.

In the 70s it was being called "Gasahol" and was from a seperate, labeled
pump.

Although they called E10 Gasohol, here in Michigan there were no
separate pumps. Typically there was a sticker that said the gas
contained 10% Alcohol. Some stations IIRC did still offer
"uncontaminated gas" in a separate pump or pumps. I don't remember
ever seeing a serrate pump for the Gasohol locally. However I don't
claim to have an infallible memory. Seems like I was wrong one
time...don't remember why though.


Bertie
Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

wrote in :

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:33:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

wrote in
m:

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:41:39 -0700, Al
wrote:

I just happened to see a sticker on a fuel pump today that stated
"may contain up to 10% ethanol" while I was filling my car this
morning.

Man, what state is that far behind the times?
Here in Michigan they started doing that IIRC in the late 70's. Now
they no longer tell you whether the fuel has alcohol in it or not.
The sticker only says meets standard such and such.

In the 70s it was being called "Gasahol" and was from a seperate,
labeled pump.

Although they called E10 Gasohol, here in Michigan there were no
separate pumps. Typically there was a sticker that said the gas
contained 10% Alcohol. Some stations IIRC did still offer
"uncontaminated gas" in a separate pump or pumps. I don't remember
ever seeing a serrate pump for the Gasohol locally. However I don't
claim to have an infallible memory. Seems like I was wrong one
time...don't remember why though.


Hmm, mebbe. I was in living in Michigan at the time but i can't remember
if they had it seperate there or not, now you mention it, they
definitely did in other states. I remember clearly seeing the pic of a
corn cob on the pump. IIRC it was also a bit more expensive. I also
remembver it filled your fuel filter with crap almost instantly. Had to
change three or four of them in my car before it cleared up.


Bertie