GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


Accepted by whom?

Why, the USA, for one. The UN, apparently, for another. The World Court, or
whatever the hell they call trhemselves, for another. Unless you an show
where they have filed a protest.

Aside from which, you seem to be missing the point.

YOU HAVE NO POINT.

-*MORT*-

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Do feel free to support your claim.

That's rotten leadership from the top down.

Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody.
The deaths were officially ruled to be homicides. That was two
years ago and the DOD remains silent on the 'investigation'.
There were reports of two other incidents in Afghanistan in which
Civilian Prisoners were beaten by US troops, again, no word from
the Pentagon.

Do feel free to support your claim.


The difference between those incidents and the instant case is
photographs.

If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really
think Calley would ever have been prosecuted?

Yes.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of our troops in the field
are good men and women and would not take part in such crimes.

Yup.

Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging
incidents such as these.

Nope. Those responsible will be dealt with. BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:Lvhlc.19681$I%1.1425017@attbi_s51...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not that good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Do feel free to support your claim.


Its not my claim. The claim was made by the spokesman at a
routine news conference. I'm still looking for actual transcripts
of new conferences. Dunno if they exist. Meanwhile, you
can go to your library and read some back issues of the Post,
assuming you can pullyourself away from FOX TV long enough.

The Washington Post; Oct 7, 2003;

The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Dec 26, 2002.


This online article refers to statments by unnamed US officials:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2003/usa03072003_2.html

Press reports have attributed statements to US officials
that the US is using "all appropriate pressure," that
"prisoners are sometimes kept on their feet for lengthy
periods," and that "stress and duress" techniques are acceptable.

The techniques reportedly employed - including hooding,
holding in prolonged painful positions, and denial of
food and sleep - were cited and condemned as torture
in the 2002 Department of State Country Reports on Human
Rights Practices. This year's report, mandated to be
released to Congress by February 28, has yet to be released.


Please do feel free to conduct your own research, as any
intellectually
honest person would do. Knowing the truth is far more important than
'winning' an argument on UseNet, don't you agree?

That's rotten leadership from the top down.

Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody.
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Do feel free to support your claim.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A42373-2003Mar4&notFound=true



The difference between those incidents and the instant case is
photographs.

If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really
think Calley would ever have been prosecuted?

Yes.

Do feel free to support your claim.

Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging
incidents such as these.

Nope. Those responsible will be dealt with. BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?

I doubt it. Keeping in mind that nothing has been proven it has
been reported that the soldiers involved (13 as of last count, right?)
received no training and weren't even given copies of the regulations
for handling prisoners. If so, the officers who are responsible
have no defense.

BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?

Yes, the anonymous sources who released the photos, just like My Lai.
The wheels were going in circles befor that.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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BTW, are you aware of who it was
that set the wheels in motion on this matter?

Yes, the anonymous sources who released the photos, just like My Lai.
The wheels were going in circles befor that.

No, "Fred," that is not the case. The wheels were set rolling by a report from a
soldier.

On 30 Apr 2004 10:08:02 -0700, (Curtis CCR)
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"The Todal" wrote in message ...
"Bystander" wrote in message
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"= Vox Populi ©" wrote in message (snipped):
Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture

I have seen the photos and they are appalling.

The treatment of prisoners is utterly indefensible.

At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many countries
that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports.

Well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say: now that it's in the public
domain the PR people in the White House and the Pentagon can see that it is
indefensible and they are duly blaming it all on renegade troops or (better
still) outside contractors. Meanwhile, all the other torture will not be
admitted until it has been discovered.

This incident was being investigated before it came out in the news.
The first news reports I saw of this (I think CBS was the network that
"broke" the story) said that dicipline was already being handed out to
those directly involved and to several officers, including a general,
in the responsible command.

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

America DESERVES 9/11. America DESERVES another terrorist attack. I
was thrilled on 9/11 (apologies to the victims and their families).
It's only a matter of time before someone else gets fed up with
Amerika and attacks us again. The only solution to this problem is
diplomacy. America COULD resolve the differences with the Muslims.

It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with. Torturing POW's and Hanoi-style incarceration of "Enemy
Combatants" is PROBABLY part of why Muslims hate us now. I'd like to
know why they hated us in the 1st place.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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**** off, Kraut.


Regards, PLMerite

--
"If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant
war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick
him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any)... and
torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you."
Vice Admiral Sir John Fisher, Royal Navy, 1898.

On Sat, 01 May 2004 01:46:10 GMT, "PLMerite"
wrote:


"Pooched" wrote in message
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**** off, Kraut.


Regards, PLMerite

If you'd like to live in country where criticising the gov't isn't
allowed, there are plenty to choose from. =)

Love,

Pooched.

"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all through the
former SovUn.
They are a warrior religion, founded by a bandit and raider, and they've
been at war with the world for 1300 years.

Chas

"Chas" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all through
the
former SovUn.

Don't forget Thailand.

-*MORT*-

"Morton Davis" wrote:


"Chas" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote
It would help if someone could tell me WHY the Muslims hated us to
begin with.

It's the central tenet of the religion; Submit & Recite.
And we're not the only ones they hate. They're at war in China, India,
SEAsia, Indonesia, the Filipines, East Africa, North Africa, all through
the
former SovUn.

Don't forget Thailand.

-*MORT*-

Don't forget anyone, anywhere, who isn't Muslim (and isn't dead).

Quite the holy religion you got there bub, yessiree bob.
--

-Gord.