We Are All Spaniards

"John Harper" wrote in message
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Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people,

John, Spain is NOT a democracy where each issue is decided seperately.

just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.

Nope! Based on the bombing, it quite RIGHT.

The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

Their right...just like Germany voted in their choice in the 30's.


I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

We don't ask the to agree with us and we certainly don't ask theri
PERMISSION.


Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

FOAD.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my
feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed
the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I
feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed
the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a
way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.
--

The Spanish are more of a first world nation than the US ever will be
Jay.
All empires come and go. Same will happen to the US. History is a great
place to begin learning about the future. Mind you you need a history in
the
first place.

That's the best joke of this very long thread. Spain a first world
country......I nearly spilt my Barq's root beer over that one.

_NOBODY_ EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION!!!

"Newps" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:


The real measure of the world's opinion is this: How many people are
fighting and dying to get into FINLAND? You just don't see too many
people floating on inner-tubes for weeks to get there...


Or the best one of all, the old 50 something chevy sedan with barrels
welded on for floats and a prop attached to the driveshaft. The picture
of the Cuban driving, sitting there with the window down and his arm
resting on the top of the door like he's driving to town is priceless.

In 1973 I got to see the Berlin Wall, ostensibly built to keep people OUT,
yet all the guns (and people shot) were on the other side of the wall. 'Nuff
said?

"Newps" wrote in message
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Martin Hotze wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:


The real measure of the world's opinion is this: How many people are
fighting and dying to get into FINLAND?



well, Finnland is too far away from Cuba .. they take the next best
chance.

Well according to you it's about the 7th best chance.

Haiti and the Dominican Republic are closer to Cuba than the US, just 61
miles versus 93 to the US...and the current runs towards the East.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Martin Hotze wrote:



proof it.
give me some examples where or why people suffer (materially) more in
Austria,
Italy, Switzerland, Germany, France, UK, Australia than in the USA.

Well, let's look at houses:

When I was in college, as a bachelor, I had a bigger apartment than most
people in Wuopre had for raising a family.

A 2000 square foot, three bedrom house on a nice 1/4 acre lot is common
here; in Europe, that's a palace mostly for the aristocracy. Our aristocracy
is based on merit, not bloodlines.

In France, people RENT dogs to walk so they can look affluent; here a dog or
two is damn near standard equipment for most homes.


There's no opportunity in Europe. Germany and France have their economy
standing still, not growing. Here in the States our economy is growing
at an average 4% rate, right in the sweet spot for avoiding inflation,
etc. We are humming right along like we always do. You all sit there
and bitch and whine. Like you always do.

We bitch because things aren't as good as they should be...he bitches
because things....well, for him, they SUCK!!

Jay Honeck wrote:

Why is it that people of your ilk can't seem to discuss world events like
gentlemen?

Maybe because some of the other worldly people in this group get fed up
with watching some of you Americans discuss it like assholes.

Doug Carter wrote in message ...
Martin Hotze wrote:

well, I can afford medicamentation (can you?)

Yep and I actually pay for them directly instead of
laundering the money through a government.

another 33 countries to invade? ;-)

So many countries, so little time. Well, perhaps only a
dozen or so at a whack as we do have to keep up our
tradition of rebuilding aggressor countries in Europe,
Asia and now the Middle East.

Yeah Doug, this rebuilding crap is really slowing us down. ;-) Funny
how everybody wants to get in on that, but they don't want to do any
of the hard, dirty work first.


Martin Hotze wrote (in unarchived fashion)

to reduce it to a personal platform: let's assume that you are doing
something
illegal. Intelligence has no chance to get enough evidence (for the
sake of the
argument). Now: shall police - just because they are not happy of the
outcome
and they don't have 100% proof that you are _INNOCENT_ (rings a bell?)
have
every right to search your house (without a warrant) and your
belongings? [well,
in the name of terrorism this is already the law in the US]

#m



Pac sez:

Good question. If I'm connected to WMD? Sure. No one has the right
to grow anthrax in their bathtub. And I want my neighbor's suspicious
activity followed up on too. Only a fool wants to live next to a
raghead nerve-toxin lab.

Do I want police digging around in my house because they saw me doing
150mph/300km/hr on the freeway this afternoon? No. That's why we
have lawyers. To sue the power-hungry cops after the unwarranted
intrusion. I agree It's a fine balancing act, and to be sure, dept
of homeland defense is abusing the patriot act already. And that is
not unexpected knowing the cop wish-list that they've had for years.
This is why I am for bombing outlaw states that send their operatives
over here. (helps keep them busy and helps keep the war over there.)
This reduces the need for Tom Ridge to defend the fatherland at all
costs (including his suspensions of freedom.) But Martin, surely you
can see that this "big stick" policy is working. Haven't you noticed
how friendly Libya is, all of a sudden? Do we see a pattern yet?

pacplyer

"Newps" wrote in message
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Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

Question for John is: Does it matter (to him)?



John Harper wrote:

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:

give me some examples where or why people suffer (materially) more in
Austria,
Italy, Switzerland, Germany, France, UK, Australia than in the USA.

Have you watched any TV in the UK? 'nuff said.

:-)

And we think we have it bad!!! :~}

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Uh, have you ever seen the condition of the average Brit's teeth?

I mean, I'm a dentist, so it would be expected I would notice, but
just look at them.

Their dental health system alone should religate them to third world
status.


No fluoridation, but they saved their precious bodily fluids.

They save their pee and call it "beer"?